Thanks all and mod for the game. I should have some comments for the setup, but I think I'm going to wait for the mod to lay it out before I say anything about that.
One ironic bit of trivia: I first volunteered to be a backupmod, and was told that the game wouldn't need one. Only then did I sign up as a player. Imagine how differently the game would have gone (a) with a backupmod and (b) without me playing.
And to clarify something: my first guess was that the SK was Sayid, based on the interplay that he had with young Ben/adult Ben had- that’s why I addressed myself to Sayid initially. My burst of realization D2 was the SK made more sense as Jacob. I was actually a bit confused when Zoneace later claimed Daniel- I was partially wondering if he was trying to trap someone into fakeclaiming, and partially didn’t think it mattered at that point.
For the record, after I died I was worried at the end that there was a secret 13th player in the game (Jacob, who I was guessing was ShadowLurker based on the response I got to my question). And while I was curious to see what would unfold with a reset…
<bah>Dead is dead. You don't get to come back from that, not even here.</bah>
As for play- and I realize that this is a very vain thing to say, especially after the grief that flared up D3, but I think I do want to explain myself, so please hear me out. But I don’t really regret my decisions this game.
I singlehandedly identified 2 of the 3 antitowns, and was able to neutralize them. And I left the town in a position where it could identify and neutralize the third. Unfortunately, in between what happened, happened. And the town wound up needing 4 neutralizations instead of 3. Again, I concede that this is a very vain thing to assert. But considering what caused the town to lose- I’m not really sure what I
The few regrets I have mainly involve CB. (And to a lesser degree Jebus- while I realized that something was wrong with all the D1 bandwagons (well, except the Zoneace bandwagon, but I had him pegged as SK at that point), I picked the wrong suspect to go to.) But I misread CB- and more importantly, I didn’t reevaluating after I learned that I had misread him. I second-guessed myself N1 and changed my target from Zoneace to CB. And I’ll admit, this probably clouded my judgment regarding him D2. I should have stopped to reevaluate once my first read was off, but instead I was just upset for second-guessing myself. I was also a little clouded because I knew that CB was a “safe” lynch, since I knew he couldn’t be the SK.
VP:
First of all, thanks for taking one for the team. Even if it didn’t work, I don’t think it would have changed the outcome, if it matters at all.
Second, I apologize for any condescension. I ask you to sympathize with my predicament:
After successfully converting Zoneace, and with both kills stopped, I knew I needed to be hearing reactions from everyone- but I needed to stall until the Julsslot got filled, because I wanted to hear from them most of all. And I couldn’t say why we needed to wait without giving anything away, especially since I wanted people to keep talking. Since I knew I was able to confirm my innocence, I knew I could behave in ways I wouldn’t otherwise have been able to get away with. I wanted people to talk, and wanted people to react.
Unfortunately, Zoneace was a blabbermouth, so the result wasn’t exactly what I wanted. Especially when CDB wound up needing replacement as well.
As for the VP/Amished decision- honestly, I can’t say I regret that choice.
D1 you had tried to insist that either the copclaim or the doctorclaim were false, and fished for whether the cop would be unprotected.
D2 you tried to clear Zoneace and Juls as obvtown, with reasons which didn’t hold up to scrutiny- especially when Zoneace/Juls were in fact antitown.
And you must understand, literally every time I made a post in which I attacked anyone else, I would get a twinge in my stomach that I was letting you get away. It’s to your credit that in the end, you managed to convince me not to lynch you. But when we got a safety play of letting you be lynched, I jumped at it.
CKD:
Yeah, I was on 4 town lynches, but I singlehandly found out the SK, and neutralized him. (And saved you from being killed in the process, I might add.) And I almost singlehandly pressured one mafia enough to get them lynched, even if I weren’t technically voting them at the end of the day. And I helped the town get to a point where we could lynch out their remaining suspects to get the last mafia.
Was I perfect? Did I win? No, and no. As it happened, we needed 4 neutralizations for 3 suspects.
You want to criticize my play? I welcome any constructive advice you have. But I suggest that you objectively compare my actions to the actions of the other 11 players. Compare how my contributions to the loss to anyone else’s.
And for the record, I do not consider what happened D4 a speedlynch. You had been asked repeatedly for half of D2 and all of D3 to explain yourself, and you had made it abundantly clear that you would not. The reveals of BM as mafia and VP as town certainly didn’t change anything. I saw no reason to wait any longer on you, not when I felt (correctly, albeit ironically too late) that the only thing the town had to fear was a modquestion.
Santos:
I don’t know how serious and how appeal-to-emotion your “I always play bad and get lynched” was. But, um, if you are looking for how to improve, number one is: don’t lie.
Let me repeat that:
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The longer version is: don’t lie unless you’re willing to accept the consequences. And those consequences usually are death. But if you’re not sure, it’s best to err on the side of don’t lie ever.
Towns can win if the cop gets one fewer investigation. Towns can win if the cop gets roleblocked. Towns can win if the cop gets killed. But towns generally can’t win if players are allowed to make outrageous lies and get away with it, because then the mafia can get away with making outrageous lies.
[And, um, insisting that a player is town when they are actually mafia- that generally is enough on its own for a lynch. Between those 2 things- I find it really hard to fault lynching you. Even if Amished had been lynched first, had I been around the last day, I would have been hard pressed to not think you either a 3rd mafia or a traitor after.]
Amished:
My sympathies- that was not a fun point to replace in at.
Although, you thought you had a hard time winning with your role? I needed to, without knowing it, play my role suboptimally. If I identify the SK, I have a better chance of winning if I *don’t* target them than if I do!
Also, what happened the final night? Seems like the proper play is either to kill someone or block Zoneace.
And reading over the mafiatalk thread: Ironically, I wish the mafia *had* roleblocked me N2…
Reckoner:
For what it’s worth, I don’t blame you for your D6 choice. Amished was definitely guilty at that point- the only question was Zoneace. The only thing I might have done differently was to see what Zoneace’s reaction to the modquestion was, since it had already gone out. Which is what I had been hoping to do at the end of D3, but the mod incorrectly cut day off early. And since you had already gotten your second question, waiting only had the potential to harm you.
Zoneace:
I’d have more sympathy for you if you hadn’t stabbed me in the back, you know…
Not did I not turn you in by shouting out hey-there’s-a-SK-in-the-game-and-look-I-think-it’s-Zoneace. But also: my question D2 was whether to take a shot at Abaddon or not. I interpreted that as a choice between becoming a 1-shot vigilante or staying a psychologist. So I chose to not shoot, since I was so certain that I was about to recruit you.
So, I gave you the opportunity to be part of a team win instead of getting an individual loss.
When you had a win either way, you choose to make the rest of the team lose.
That’s your choice, certainly, and you got a win. But, don’t be surprised that there’s bitterness at what you chose.
ZONEACE wrote:Yeah, I originally wasn't going to become a SK again cause i thought the town was likely going to win the next day.
If you don't mind my asking, then why did you?
Also, why were you so chatty at the start of D3?
BM:
I don’t know how on earth you think that that is socially acceptable behavior. Making Porochaz xreplace into your game, and then refusing to play in his?