Newbie 1436 ~ Game Over

[Wisdom]

Your posts reveal your motivations pretty clearly.

Oh really? And which posts are those exactly? What are my motivations?

To spread wifom and try to give your partner (probably notsci, but there's a chance Bert's pulling one over on me) another viable mislynch target for tomorrow.

No, show me exactly which posts of mine have that intention and how you recognised that specific motivation over me trying to figure out who is scum.

Starting with 1968, pretty much every post you've made. I essentially affirmed in 1932 that I'll vote you today. That's the motivation for your attack. I doubt you think you'll actually get a wagon going on me today, but it's all good wifom for day 4.

I feel relieved and a lot more confident there will be a tomorrow thanks to your attack, though!

Bullshit, you're unable to explain your switch. You just randomly point at me with generic reasons such as "omg your scum motivation is so obvious but i cant explain why" and bet on the fact Sakura doesn't like me. Those reasons you're making up would only make sense if you knew I am scum. They don't make sense for town who try to understand who is town and who is scum.

Why would I get a wagon on you when your buddy has obvscummed? You're so caught that you don't even think before you post.

[fferyllt]

I am awake now and just had lunch yay me who wants to talk about foodies

actually no, back to the game.

BOOM BOOM POWA

Speaking of motivations, Wisdom is reminding me of how advertisers try to get people in the long run to buy their shit. Well, I don't buy his shit right now. And I ain't gonna. Lalalalala

lalalalalala that's me with my ears wifom wifom wifom repeat after me lol

Ffery I'm more worried about you being scum over notscience (But it's strictly paranoia, I do think notscience is scum).

so since my mind is clear and headache hasn't approached yet what would you all like to ask me right now <3

I feel like there will be a tomorrow, but I'm not looking forward to it. If you're town, you won't be the only one dragging around tons of paranoia.

[Bert]

I feel like there will be a tomorrow, but I'm not looking forward to it. If you're town, you won't be the only one dragging around tons of paranoia.

for the record, your paranoia about Cabd looked real as heck

so I *think* you're town

notscience's posts today aren't that tunnely, they're actually kinda passive, that's how it feels...

you know like how I'm scum, sometimes I get really tight? well you can tell sort of from ns's tone that he feels tense/tight/not relaxed

idk if that makes sense, tell me if it doesn't

[Bert]

how when I'm scum*

it's like in LYLO of Castle you can tell my nervous jitters

well I feel ns's jitters itnuitively (I know this is BS, but whatever Wisdom juts go ahead and attack me)

<3

[Wisdom]

It's funny how you imply I will attack your posts when I've hardly done so. Good act there.

[fferyllt]

Your posts reveal your motivations pretty clearly.

Oh really? And which posts are those exactly? What are my motivations?

To spread wifom and try to give your partner (probably notsci, but there's a chance Bert's pulling one over on me) another viable mislynch target for tomorrow.

No, show me exactly which posts of mine have that intention and how you recognised that specific motivation over me trying to figure out who is scum.

Starting with 1968, pretty much every post you've made. I essentially affirmed in 1932 that I'll vote you today. That's the motivation for your attack. I doubt you think you'll actually get a wagon going on me today, but it's all good wifom for day 4.

I feel relieved and a lot more confident there will be a tomorrow thanks to your attack, though!

Bullshit, you're unable to explain your switch. You just randomly point at me with generic reasons such as "omg your scum motivation is so obvious but i cant explain why" and bet on the fact Sakura doesn't like me. Those reasons you're making up would only make sense if you knew I am scum. They don't make sense for town who try to understand who is town and who is scum.

Why would I get a wagon on you when your buddy has obvscummed? You're so caught that you don't even think before you post.

There's lots of stuff.

Before Cabd's flip, I went through Kaze's ISO basically looking for reasons to think you weren't lying for doc, when I should have been doing the exact opposite. On reread, there's really nothing in Kaze's posts that point to being a PR much less being doc, and his posts were more than hedgy enough for concern. I should have fucking hammered when I meant to.

Then there's your attack on Cabd. You make noises about how most of town thought he was scum, but you very opportunistically turned 2nd tier suspicions on him into a bandwagon, and then basically nailed the coffin shut with your claim. Sakura is absolutely right that scum would know if there's a doc in this setup once agi claimed doc.

And now, when you know that your lynch is all but sealed with my intent, you switch tactics from ending the game today to positioning your team for tomorrow. Your play has been way too tactical for it to be coming from a town-trying-to-figure-things-out perspective.

[Bert]

oh and ffery your "this post was so sincere. if you're pulling thsi one on me, you're going on my paranoia lsit with you-know who"

that rang so freakin sincere, that post of yours. like...ugh im in deep trouble if youre scum basically cuz i aint ever voting u

[Bert]

And now, when you know that your lynch is all but sealed with my intent,

you switch tactics from ending the game today to positioning your team for tomorrow.

Your play has been way too tactical for it to be coming from a town-trying-to-figure-things-out perspective.

and now it's like he's spreading wifom by attacking ffery (you) a lot, and also starting to interact (semi-distance) from ns more

and then basically nailed the coffin shut with your claim. Sakura is absolutely right that scum would know if there's a doc in this setup once agi claimed doc.

this is spot on with the "nail the coffin shut" I got that impression too, with "I'm doc, now go vote cabd now ffs" type manner

[Wisdom]

Before Cabd's flip, I went through Kaze's ISO basically looking for reasons to think you weren't lying for doc, when I should have been doing the exact opposite. On reread, there's really nothing in Kaze's posts that point to being a PR much less being doc, and his posts were more than hedgy enough for concern. I should have fucking hammered when I meant to.

More of your "I was reading/thinking (lurking)" that I don't care about. Next.

Then there's your attack on Cabd. You make noises about how most of town thought he was scum, but you very opportunistically turned 2nd tier suspicions on him into a bandwagon, and then basically nailed the coffin shut with your claim. Sakura is absolutely right that scum would know if there's a doc in this setup once agi claimed doc.

Again, you can only assume this from a PoV knowing that I am scum. There's no way town trying to figure scum out think that this is what I did over what I actually did. Which means you are scum trying to tie scum motivation to my actions. And yeah, Sakura is completely right but this is irrelevant to this game as I am actually the doctor.

And now, when you know that your lynch is all but sealed with my intent, you switch tactics from ending the game today to positioning your team for tomorrow. Your play has been way too tactical for it to be coming from a town-trying-to-figure-things-out perspective.

This doesn't make any sense since there have been no switches in my play today. I voted Bert after he obvscummed and then I tried to figure out who between you and ns is the buddy. Once again you're trying to make me look bad with things you know Sakura will agree with.

[Bert]

I'm biased cuz I know he's spreading WIFOM, but seriously WIFOM does mess with my head once I know someone's scum so it's hard for me to exercise selective listening... and stay unbiased

[Wisdom]

Not to mention, it makes literally no sense that I would wait till I was out of danger to claim doctor as opposed to doing it right away to escape the lynch. But no, somehow I did that to "nail the coffin shut". Bullshit, you both are trying desperately to tie some sort of scum motivation to my actions.

[Bert]

I don't really see why you're using Ffery's passiveness against her. The "passive reading/thinking" thing had me read her as scum in 1415, and you having more experience than I do with her, should know that it's not alignment indicative.

She took all the time in the world to find out what was going on and sort things out, and I pressured her and created a disconnect and that cost us that Day 3. She didn't even vote till the very end when she was about to be lynched, even after announcing scumreads in JasonWazza very early on.

[Bert]

What I'm saying is that her waiting very long to wait to hammer isn't a scumtell for her. She hasn't ever struck me as a rushy player, not one to be influenced to make speedy decisions which might lead to regret later for haste.

[fferyllt]

Not to mention, it makes literally no sense that I would wait till I was out of danger to claim doctor as opposed to doing it right away to escape the lynch. But no, somehow I did that to "nail the coffin shut". Bullshit, you both are trying desperately to tie some sort of scum motivation to my actions.

Why claim if you can sway the lynch off you without claiming? You didn't have to claim in order to dismantle you wagon. You had to claim in order to rush Cabd's lynch through.

[Wisdom]

Hey ffery, tell me this;

You're claiming you're completely sure I'm scum and that you're not voting me because you want to talk with Sakura first.

Given Sakura will have to hammer me anyway for the lynch to go through, which means that you will get to talk with her anyway, why are you hesitating to vote me now?


Could it possibly be because notscience not hammering me will further confirm you are Bert's buddy?

[Bert]

Why claim if you can sway the lynch off you without claiming? You didn't have to claim in order to dismantle you wagon. You had to claim in order to rush Cabd's lynch through.

Exactly. It feels just like Majiffy pressuring me to mislynch SalmonellaDoctor in Open 527 Hard Boiled. "why isn't SD dead yet, someone hammer" and hours later "SD's scum, what are we waiting for"

except this time he wanted to accelerate the lynch by claiming and going on with "now vote cabd ffs."

cannot believe the stupidity of this town.

I'm the fucking doctor, do you still not get it? I know they have a roleblocker.

Fucking lynch Cabd before he manages to convince the town, he is capable of it.

cannot believe the stupidity of this town.

I'm the fucking doctor, do you still not get it? I know they have a roleblocker.

Fucking lynch Cabd before he manages to convince the town, he is capable of it.

[fferyllt]

Hey ffery, tell me this;

You're claiming you're completely sure I'm scum and that you're not voting me because you want to talk with Sakura first.

Given Sakura will have to hammer me anyway for the lynch to go through, which means that you will get to talk with her anyway, why are you hesitating to vote me now?


Could it possibly be because notscience not hammering me will further confirm you are Bert's buddy?

Because notsci could hammer before she returns to the thread. I thought I already said that. Or you could self-hammer in order to make sure that convo doesn't happen.

[Wisdom]

Not to mention, it makes literally no sense that I would wait till I was out of danger to claim doctor as opposed to doing it right away to escape the lynch. But no, somehow I did that to "nail the coffin shut". Bullshit, you both are trying desperately to tie some sort of scum motivation to my actions.

Why claim if you can sway the lynch off you without claiming? You didn't have to claim in order to dismantle you wagon. You had to claim in order to rush Cabd's lynch through.

What reason did I have to rush it? I was already out of danger and the Cabd lynch would go through anyway. I didn't have any reason to claim. The only explanation is that I actually am the doctor, and had enough of agi's and Sakura's stupidity not figuring it out on their own.

[fferyllt]

Not to mention, it makes literally no sense that I would wait till I was out of danger to claim doctor as opposed to doing it right away to escape the lynch. But no, somehow I did that to "nail the coffin shut". Bullshit, you both are trying desperately to tie some sort of scum motivation to my actions.

Why claim if you can sway the lynch off you without claiming? You didn't have to claim in order to dismantle you wagon. You had to claim in order to rush Cabd's lynch through.

What reason did I have to rush it? I was already out of danger and the Cabd lynch would go through anyway. I didn't have any reason to claim. The only explanation is that I actually am the doctor, and had enough of agi's and Sakura's stupidity not figuring it out on their own.

Because that wagon could have collapsed, too. And the more time for things to settle, the more likely a collapse was to happen.

I'm going to be afk for a few hours. Will try to keep up by phone but phoneposting is a pain.

Sakura, mostly I want to hear your thoughts about who is Wisdom's likely partner. I'm pretty satisfied he's scum at this point.

[Wisdom]

If I could collapse my wagon without a claim, surely I could get Cabd lynched without one too. There's no reason I would unneccesarily claim and put more attention on me, unless I actually were what I am claiming.

Thanks for making it so easy though, your sudden switch and your unwarranted certainty have proved you're Bert's buddy. You thought that you have Sakura's support and the confidence made you slip and make this mistake.

[notscience]

Sakura, mostly I want to hear your thoughts about who is Wisdom's likely partner. I'm pretty satisfied he's scum at this point.

For the love of god don't make me doubt myself again.

She's literally said this for the past two days, why the feigned scumhunting?

[Wisdom]

Because she was accused of lurking so she had to feign something that resembles scumhunting.

[fferyllt]

Sakura, mostly I want to hear your thoughts about who is Wisdom's likely partner. I'm pretty satisfied he's scum at this point.

For the love of god don't make me doubt myself again.

She's literally said this for the past two days, why the feigned scumhunting?

Wisdom put down a ton of new posts today. I don't like them, but I'm the focus of them and of course won't like them.

I want Sakura's opinion about where those posts suggest to look tomorrow. Whichever of you are town, the behaviors are pretty similar because at this point town and scum motivation are similar. Survival is winning. Bert and Wisdom have been under pressure. You, not so much.

[notscience]

Whichever of you are town

Wait, what?

[fferyllt]

Whichever of you are town

Wait, what?

You. Bert. At least one of you are town.

Unless Wisdom is town.