In post 1996, Titus wrote:Yeah, we are massclaiming. Can we put the names of everyone who claimed out (maybe again, not feeling 100%).
A kill did not go through N1
Zach was claimed and killed Jailkeeper
Gamma was claimed and killed Watcher
Dunn was unclaimed and killed Neighborizer
Manuel is claimed and alive BP
Names Dong, Something Smart Jar Jar Drinks
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:51 am
by Titus
Ok, we are starting with SS. He will claim pr or vt only and popcorn to his biggest unclaimed scumread. This goes until only one unclaimed player is left. That person fullclaims.
The last PR to claim pr then popcorns fullclaim to their scumread.
Smart is allowed to change his mind. He is incorrect but he is allowed to do so. Don't like your implication I think you are stuck in tunnelsville.
VT.
Popcorn Dong. (I would do Manuel as I think JK+Watcher+Neighborizer+BP(one shot or otherwise) is too much power to all be town but based on reads it would be Dong.)
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:30 am
by Titus
Manuel would just say PR anyway.
Why do you think SS scumreads you and why are you not acting like SS just rolefished you?
Dong is up.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:31 am
by Titus
Math, VCA? Why no vca from you? Shall we do it together?
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:39 am
by Something_Smart
I did rolefish Mathblade. Why are you acting like that's a bad thing?
And ugh. I'm gonna need to check and see how often I am right versus wrong when I defend scummy people because I think that they're lynchbait (and I can think of a few times when I have incorrectly townread scum like this just off the top of my head), because I feel like I might do better just scumreading people who are scummy and leaving it at that.
I do yes but with the reaction my mini one got I thought it would spam up he thread and be ignored. Since I am trying to be better I went with a new approach. Can share when I get home if you like. Don't have it at work.
Titus I love you but please read. I am at work but I have my VCA at home. If you want me to help while phone posting at work I will do my best.
And ugh. I'm gonna need to check and see how often I am right versus wrong when I defend scummy people because I think that they're lynchbait (and I can think of a few times when I have incorrectly townread scum like this just off the top of my head), because I feel like I might do better just scumreading people who are scummy and leaving it at that.
Ugh this is terribad. I seriously thought I was your top scumread. Role fishing me is stupid as I have been pretty obvious I am VT with my setup spec. If I was a 5th town PR (which FYI I do not think exists) then I would have CC'd Manuel. My main reason I scum read Manuel is because 4 town PRs unless all scum PRs are full PRs is unbalanced as fuck and a non full scum PR has flipped. I fucking wish I was a PR then I could CC Manuel. However since I am a VT it is only a scumread. If a 5th PR claim comes up we lynch in Manuel and that after no lynching today. I do not believe 4 is balanced. 5 pushes insanity levels.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:55 am
by Something_Smart
Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.
And duh, it's massclaim. Everyone's claiming anyway, and if you have been obvious VT like you said, then your claiming early doesn't really do much for scum.
(I don't expect it to matter much, however, since I expect everyone else to claim VT anyway.)
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:18 am
by MathBlade
In post 2011, Something_Smart wrote:Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.
And duh, it's massclaim. Everyone's claiming anyway, and if you have been obvious VT like you said, then your claiming early doesn't really do much for scum.
(I don't expect it to matter much, however, since I expect everyone else to claim VT anyway.)
Why do you think SS scumreads you and why are you not acting like SS just rolefished you?
Dong is up.
Because he said he had bad vibes about me and things that indicate a scumread he says he scumreads Dong and me as a team which is even more dumb (as previously demonstrated). So I thought natural continuation.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:20 am
by MathBlade
In post 2011, Something_Smart wrote:Why is it terribad? Of my two scumreads, you were the one I thought more likely to claim a PR.
And duh, it's massclaim. Everyone's claiming anyway, and if you have been obvious VT like you said, then your claiming early doesn't really do much for scum.
(I don't expect it to matter much, however, since I expect everyone else to claim VT anyway.)
Lol. No if you did you aren't reading. Like wow. *blinks*
Secondly I have been screaming that there is no way 5 town PRs exist and still doubt Manuel's claim. Any scum team with me (which is incorrect) would have both of us claim VT.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:00 pm
by Manuel87
In post 1972, MathBlade wrote:One shot BP give scum one shot strongman.
Watcher + JK would need infinite shot roleblocker and infinite shot tracker. Ninja is out of the question as infinity was seen.
The fact there are four claimed PRs against a one shot tracker is garbage.
I think your balance understanding is different from the standards of this side.
In my last game i was mafia rolecop with a mafia goon and a traitor as team.
Town had a Watcher, BP-oneshot, Bodyguard and JAOT (RB, Doc, Cop)
Town was arguing the same way you are right now and killed their BP.
Also hi to titus.
I claimed BP day2 after Zach Claimed JK on Trancend because i was quite sure Trancend wasnt the NK/scum night1 and i didnt want town to make wrong assumptions.
Well he got lynched anyway so i might as well have said nothing.
Not Voting - JarJarDrinks, Dongempire, Something_Smart,
XnadrojX
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Day One main wagons: Early Transcend RVS wagon -- Infinity was first on it and it was an RVS wagon. Likely Manuel's vote helped it to pick up steam. Explains the likely attempted kill on Transcend.
Myself -- Clearly not scum driven but still RVS from Zach who vote sat.
Game picks up and votes spread like a machine gun.
Zach -- Wagon starts to form but mostly it's Zach being pissed that I had scumread Zach. Dong likely tag on here to try to get a mislynch wagon. (Yes I did scumread Zach but I scumread Dunnstral more)
Zach wagon breaks up.
Creature wagon spawns in about 50 posts.
Breaks apart then a wagon on XnadrojX starts.
Wagon on Creature gains life again.
Wagon on XnadrojX dies and feeds Creature wagon.
Transcend, Zach, Gamma, and Dunn are all confirmed town. Infinity confirmed scum. iroanavp and myself are the unknowns on it.
Creature's last reads: Transcend scum, JarJar and S_S town.
Spoiler: Day Two Wagons
Split wagons between JarJar and Infinity.
Wagons lighten a bit and XnadrojX picks up along with Transcend.
JarJar wagon picks up.
Transcend wagon picks up like a rocket. iroanavp/Titus leading the way and then a lot of dead townies are on it then myself.
Dunnstral and Zach hop off and then Infinity Gamma Transcend and Dunnstral hop on. (Yes Transcend voted for himself not a typo)
One confirmed scum infinity on the wagon and again iroanavp/Titus and myself are the unknowns on it.
Transcend seemed to troll as he went down. Not sure about his last reads except maybe an infinity scum read if that wasn't trolling and infinity is confirmed scum.
Zach was an obv NK due to the PR claim
Spoiler: Day Three wagons
Two wagons form early. One on JarJarDrinks lead by infinity and one on infinity lead by gamma and myself.
Dunn hops on.
Gamma announces his visit to Infinity.
Infinity claims a non normal role.
People start piling on like mad. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8454415 -- Sums up how I feel about the jarjar wagons. Feels like JarJar has been the mislynch attempt most of the game. With infinity on jarjar at day open jarjar very likely town.
Dunnstral (dead town) asks to not lynch infinity but to lynch xnadrojx.
Iroanavp + Manuel also advocated for a jarjar lynch and that is not easily visible in the standard posted vote counts.
Unvoted to make sure I could figure out the PR situation then revoted Infinity when I thought I had a grasp on it.
Iroanavp suggested Infinity claimed under no pressure and around this time Manuel and Iroanavp unvote.
Dong then votes JarJar (likely trying to start a popular wagon to see if people would hop on)
Manuel and Infinity theory craft suggesting the confirmed guilty not to be lynched.
Dunnstral does anything but vote infinity.
Dunnstral + Manuel keep resisting for some more time.
Manuel then votes Infinity.
Dunn then votes Manuel.
Infinity self hammers.
Dunn suggests lynching JarJar/XnadrojX in twilight.
Gamma's last read list
Townreads: Math, Manuel, S_S, Xnadr
Scumreads: JarJar, Dong, ira, Dunn
Eliminating people I don't believe to be Infinity partners(JarJar, Xnadr)
And people who I'm not scumreading(Dong, Math) leaves
ira, Dunn, Manuel, S_S
as likely partners.
Dunn is confirmed town. This leaves ira, Manuel, S_S.
Based on this and the BP claim and what PRs were already out then BP claim likely scum.
Town cop , Town doc + lots of VTs and two vanilla mafia is usually standard mafia. Three fullblown PRs would require at least two full blown scum PRs. If this is the case why did things fall as they may. RB is unlikely else could have RB'd the watcher unless his reads are also accurate meaning Manuel scum. Ninja unlikely else ninja would have done night kill not infinity. So either way Manuel very likely scum.
Spoiler: Day Four Wagons
Some how a wagon on JarJar picks up even though Infinity pushed him at the start of the day and has been numerous attempts to be wagoned. I defend JarJar as the watcher said they were a top town read and he's never been on a single mislynch wagon and he was pushed multiple times throughout the day.
I suggested Manuel (not visible in VCAs) based on balance and that play. Got shot down by all my townreads and then switched to trying to find Manuel's partner and based on how things happened XnadrojX was the likely partner. At that time Dunn to me was not a likely scumread even though he was derping hard core because he had neighborized me and supported his theories. Pretty much I thought Dunn's play was atrocious.
Wagon picks up and day ends super fast.
Dunnstral is the only player confirmed on the wagon.
Spoiler: Summary
Based on pure VCA it says the iroanavp slot is scum for pushing the mislynches and how things have played out and iroanavp is generally antitown and their play tends to suck as town. (Remember the theme game). So my gut says they are town.
However, Manuel and Dong are almost certainly scum based on VCA and claims.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:12 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2007, Titus wrote:Math, VCA? Why no vca from you? Shall we do it together?
As promised....Now I'm going to go get dinner. Was a super long day today. I look forward to seeing what you say about things.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:18 pm
by Titus
I want to lynch you SS and Dong based on my eyeballing the VCA math.
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:04 pm
by Donempire
VT. Popcorn jar
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:19 pm
by MathBlade
I can understand me as I have been on every lynch. However I ask you this: As scum why would I announce something happened to me D2? I didn't hint who intentionally to see who would rolefish and Infinity did. VCA is only part of the picture so I would encourage you to look at D2/D3 especially. It is the same reason on paper you look like scum but as scum Iroanavp acted differently (I say acted as he is banned). Dong or Manuel however are my biggest scum reads.
How do you get the SS scumread based on VCA? I have him as if I am wrong on Manuel or Dong but more than likely because he is my third scumread and this is MyLO he goes in my town camp.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:53 am
by JarJarDrinks
VT
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:21 pm
by Titus
In post 2019, MathBlade wrote:I can understand me as I have been on every lynch. However I ask you this: As scum why would I announce something happened to me D2? I didn't hint who intentionally to see who would rolefish and Infinity did. VCA is only part of the picture so I would encourage you to look at D2/D3 especially. It is the same reason on paper you look like scum but as scum Iroanavp acted differently (I say acted as he is banned). Dong or Manuel however are my biggest scum reads.
How do you get the SS scumread based on VCA? I have him as if I am wrong on Manuel or Dong but more than likely because he is my third scumread and this is MyLO he goes in my town camp.
Yeah, this doesn't look wierd at all how you bend over backwards to defend SS...
His wagon spots are just terrible and your vca is summary.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:36 pm
by Something_Smart
Titus I'm pretty sure you'd know better than this as town.
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:21 pm
by Titus
Better than what?
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:23 pm
by Something_Smart
Calling me scum based on VCA. (Calling me scum at all, really.)
