White Flag - TM2020

[Hopkirk]

So I hard townread cheeky/fish/gobble/ceph from yesterday and I'd need to actually read the game to catch up. I was going to do that tonight but I decided to go see Wicked instead.

Hop 'hopinda' hop

[Dannflor]

Since even at her best NSG is still a very polarized player and her using what little time she had in town games would do more for her team than any scum game.

[Dannflor]

The only reason I’m being dismissive here is because I thought it was obvious NSG would be playing the same here regardless of circumstances.

[CheekyTeeky]

Well you thought wrong.

[Dannflor]

Hopkirk, where does your hard town read on Gobble come from?

[Dannflor]

also to clear

you guys know that nsg is a super polarized player right? She doesn't have a magic scum game skill where she can just flip a switch and power carry if she rolled scum with dong and turkey.

"but RC could write posts for her," not only would he not do that but it would be obvious long term

[Dannflor]

and re: paranoia on me

I frankly think it's ridiculous to think that I am scum who pregame planned to bus nsg as fucking sloppily as I did and I'm... setting up Cheeky to be the nightkill? for reasons??

wifom is not a good enough explanation for that

[BBmolla]

I can't even understand why you're mad unless you're scum, I feel great about how

we

punished NSG's shitty play

I feel like you sat on me until it was clear I wasnt going down. Werent you defending NSG early, and most, of day 1?

I’m on phone so not gonna find it but literally I was like “fuck letting nsg lurk punish that”

You did, sorta, but then you didnt do shit about that threat until the wagon on me stalled, switched to you and then you voted NSG as a counter to your new wagon. I could see how since she was already taking heat before you and you switching to her would take most of the heat off yourself. Especially after you back burnered her for about 1400 posts.

You were me preferred lynch to her but I always supported her wagon reread my iso

[BBmolla]

I like these wagons what course should I be taking?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok defensive Dann, chillax. If you're right why you getting mad?

Just to anger you further, when I was thinking about my fav tinfoil last night, the whole game suddenly made sense. You remember strong arming that Auro wagon?

Anyway, Pops thinks I'm wrong on Auro, who knows maybe I am as his reaction didn't suck as much as yours.

[Dannflor]

I'm not angry exactly, I don't really ever get mad

just frustrated and a little confused

I don't tend to react too well to paranoia (see merchant's daughter and FOTM where the OG deep wolf meme came about) when I feel I should be obvious town, particularly since I think I'm a very readable player overall

[Formerfish]

and re: paranoia on me

I frankly think it's ridiculous to think that I am scum who pregame planned to bus nsg as fucking sloppily as I did and I'm... setting up Cheeky to be the nightkill? for reasons??

wifom is not a good enough explanation for that

Thats one of the reasons i decided to listen to Eddie and take off my blinders. The progression of you yesterday as scum made no sense, and the more i think about it the more i think I was really just letting my not wanting to lose to you again take over.

[Dannflor]

eddie thinks:

Esp -> Hopkirk always hits scum

I've been leaning towards town reading Dong too so I'm pretty much in agreement

[BBmolla]

I agree with going Espy > Hop ftr

[BBmolla]

Although tbh I don’t see this huge Espy scum reasoning but it’s possible it’s just cause I missed the early game

[Dannflor]

His full reads list for transparency:

Dann/Cheeky/Dunn/FF
Auro -> Ceph -> BB -> Gobble
Dong > Hop
Esp

[CheekyTeeky]

Well the bus could've been planned for D2. I'm not dropping this theory that bussing nsg at some point was definitely discussed.

[BBmolla]

“Why are you fine going Espy > Hop???”

Cause I trust you guys, and if you’re wrong I trust myself

[Dannflor]

duck would move auro higher and ceph lower but otherwises endorses

[CheekyTeeky]

Like what's Espeon's plan here? To keep shading Dann until he's lynched and loses the game? There are easier paths with less resistance that Espeon could be taking here.

Pops believes that Espe/Hop could hit scum too and tbh I'm fine going with it for now. It's good that we all carry a little shade, it keeps the game grounded. I'm ready for some flips.

[Dannflor]

There are easier paths with less resistance that Espeon could be taking here.

What would those be?

I actually think Espeon turning on like... Dong or someone actually makes his lynch easier, and gives Espe less options long term.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dong where's my case? I need love.

[CheekyTeeky]

There are easier paths with less resistance that Espeon could be taking here.

What would those be?

I actually think Espeon turning on like... Dong or someone actually makes his lynch easier, and gives Espe less options long term.

I'm going to leave this as a hypothetical because I'm not wasting my time town casing Dong.

[CheekyTeeky]

Uh espeon*

[BBmolla]

Gobbles can you do some graphs