I do. It is something older players would be more familiar with me. Given the mod color coded their VCs and the replacements, I need to focus at my computer to get proper VCs for my VCA rather than eyeball which I am doing.
Looking at the VCs, the two scum lynches were largely uncontested and the two surviving players I have to pick from largely avoided voting anywhere on contested early game wagons.
It keeps drawing me back to 2.2. Day 2 seemed to be more about which town would be mislynched given we couldn't lynch beeboy. The scumteam wouldn't help push any of the wagons along as they didn't want to get dirty and mastina was throwing a panzer fit all on her own. I can't see why JKS and MariaR would both pile onto Catboi as scum partners. The motivation just doesn't make sense to do that. It makes even less sense since this team up occurred well before I arrived into the game.
Intent to vote Catboi
Catboi if you think it's more likely JKS than me, you'll need to vote and make your case. Otherwise, I'm voting you tomorrow.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:51 pm
by jks
Have you read through scum ISOs or looked at what scum was saying about people this game?
I'll be around in a couple hours to start doing the reading I said I'd do. Got busy with work this week.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:06 pm
by Titus
Not really my cup of tea or how I solve. It's pretty common to most people though. I read people by how the relate to each other over the course of a game, rather than microdecisions. I only lead the Shiro wagon because someone had to lead. I detest doing it but I detest nl more.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:03 pm
by catboi
In post 2002, Titus wrote:Looking at the VCs, the two scum lynches were largely uncontested and the two surviving players I have to pick from largely avoided voting anywhere on contested early game wagons.
It keeps drawing me back to 2.2. Day 2 seemed to be more about which town would be mislynched given we couldn't lynch beeboy. The scumteam wouldn't help push any of the wagons along as they didn't want to get dirty and mastina was throwing a panzer fit all on her own. I can't see why JKS and MariaR would both pile onto Catboi as scum partners. The motivation just doesn't make sense to do that. It makes even less sense since this team up occurred well before I arrived into the game.
Intent to vote Catboi
Catboi if you think it's more likely JKS than me, you'll need to vote and make your case. Otherwise, I'm voting you tomorrow.
I have mostly made my peace with this, I'd still like to reread and make sure my heart's okay with it. Will try to do that tonight, have had other priorities the last couple of days.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:05 pm
by catboi
In post 2002, Titus wrote:I can't see why JKS and MariaR would both pile onto Catboi as scum partners. The motivation just doesn't make sense to do that. It makes even less sense since this team up occurred well before I arrived into the game.
In post 2002, Titus wrote:I can't see why JKS and MariaR would both pile onto Catboi as scum partners. The motivation just doesn't make sense to do that. It makes even less sense since this team up occurred well before I arrived into the game.
It didn't, though? You were in the game on day 1.
Not at 1.2
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:13 pm
by catboi
You hadn't referenced that one, but uh, okay. I probably shouldn't even be arguing the reasoning here because I'm not scumcasing jks.
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:47 pm
by catboi
Didn't get to it tonight. Not stalling, I swear. .
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:27 pm
by catboi
Actually, instead of waiting to do an iso-review first, I'll say the easy thing first. From my perspective, there are two possible narratives as to how the mafia team played:
1. Maria tries to bus battle mage early, wagoning him and he self-votes in response. townie titus tries to use her vig power to help town, but unfortunately gets tricked into shooting the one member of the mafia with a redirect power. In spite of this, neither maria or beeboy try very hard to get titus voted out when it could win them the game.
2. Maria pushes battle mage early as a mis-elimination. He was one of a handful of targets she went after. She was much more cautious of sujimichi. on day 2, when all the wagons have stagnated, titus-scum proposes a plan that keeps her, maria, and beeboy all safe from the day's elimination while granting them an extra kill that night. As suspicion is being expressed of titus the next day, beeboy 'slips' by claiming 3 nights' worth of actions, as pointed out by maria, and he gets flipped and his role card reveals him as a redirecor, 'clearing' titus.
One of these is the portrait of a scum team that is trying to win. The other is of a team that has been trying to lose and is throwing against itself at every turn.
Now, I think I know which reality seems more likely to me. This was basically the conclusion of a day of thinking about the game earlier. These are points I have already made, but it only really clicked when i put them together, my reads of both jks and titus and how they work in concert, what portrait of the game do those reads together have, do they tell a story that makes sense? And so that was how I settled back into my assumptions from a few days ago before I briefly panicked, as I tend to do. But second-guessing leads to regret, so I won't do that. (And if I'm wrong about my read, well, creature should have made a more convincing case than "can't remember anything he's done, or whatever it was)
way too tired hope that comes out coherent
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:33 am
by catboi
In the morning the stuff I said seems wacky. I hope I'm not wrong.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:47 am
by Titus
VOTE: Catboi
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:50 am
by jks
Spoiler:
In post 243, Panther and Fox wrote:Hey Holden you wanna tell us how you got Tux town from your little interaction test with him? Because I got the exact opposite pings. To me that seemed like a very obvious reaction test. Maybe it looked more convincing at the time of it, but it's very doubtful. The entire post after like he was really gonna die just felt forced and perhaps a bit staged. I'll wait to hear what Holden has to say on this though! VOTE: Tux
In post 249, Panther and Fox wrote:Tuxedo Mask was the scumread we both agreed on, I heavily disliked the way he approached his question Holden. It seems quite clear that it was a reaction test, and he never posted a response to Holden's answer until he was later called out on this post. I also don't think the dayvig test Holden used on him was likely to work, as the odds of Holden actually daykilling a player so early into the game was close to zero. I found his mastina vote underwhelming as well, so I'd be interested to see how he reacts to mastina's latest posts.
In post 307, TheThirteenthJT wrote:As for Tuxedo mask, they are playing really confident. Those are the vibes I have from them. Jokes around a lot early on and very abious LAMIST attempts. Even they feel like it's an attempt to make a joke. Also obvious Buddying with Golden. And then post 223.... Playing the too scummy to be scum card hard.
Right now I see Tuxedo as far more scummy than Mastina.
In post 712, beeboy wrote:Catboi I have literally 0 intel on, but I usually like to assume wagons are bad when I enter games :^).
In post 1000, beeboy wrote:Dude feels very fluffy and I won't lynch the 3p Panzer or Catboi.
I guess I'd lynch TItus her movement this game feels off.
In post 1203, beeboy wrote:I am disengaged and scum read Titus.
What to do.
Sorry Mafia just isn't vibing with me right now.
In post 1303, beeboy wrote:I think Titus is playing _like_ scum but the vig claim mostly self resolves anyway.
Do we know why she is apparently a vig but we only saw 1 kill day 1?
In post 1304, beeboy wrote:So while some team comp of like {MariaR, Tipsy, DK, Catboi} makes sense to me. I just am not feeling it cause wolves aren't actually motivated to push anyone.
So I can say for sure we have more then 1 wolf on Shiro even if he had almost no competition.
In post 1305, beeboy wrote:Catboi to some degree was a counter wagon to Shiro which is why I am hard pressed to trust him I guess.
I think this is just the clear choice even if I am incredibly bias.
We have the claimed vig, a vig that is now flipped town.
And 2 shots town wouldn't reasonably ever have been shot by Chemist.
Titus just shot one of Chemist or Mastina and that's kind of just that.
I think we're missing the point where if we keep engaging with the wall of noise you'll keep getting it when other factors are of more importance. Do people townread catboi/like there recent posting? Has it impressed them enough to deal with the early game of Tux that was (imo) the worst in the game?
In post 823, MariaR wrote:The only slots I see real reason to want to vote are Panzer/Cat/jk. Could argue for Tipsy but that's not gonna happen with my levels of effort to be honest.
VOTE: catboi
In post 1378, MariaR wrote:As for leashing? Catboi/Tipsy. If Panzer is town I can't trust my own role so I really want to flip him but a cop is a cop
In post 1399, catboi wrote:like in a hypothetical scenario where we eliminate aristophanes and he flips town are people going to re-evaluate me or just keep clinging to the same lazy reads
Until you give better reasons for who scum is then I'll stick to my lazy reads <3
i'm not convinced you're reading the game at all so why bother
Okay but, I'm not the only player in this game that you need to convince.
In post 1590, MariaR wrote:Glad you agree so you won't feel bad if I do VOTE: Catboi
In post 664, Titus wrote:Well this is a pleasant surprise Panther. Nice to see you. Please give Fox my well wishes, whomever they are.
I'll do just that. Thanks Titus. It was a shame I couldn't scream in glee when I saw you. It was also making me pull my hair out having to pretend I had no idea that Mastina fakes mason claims every other game.
Oh yeah. Mastina's done that again. Ok.
Since Fox isn't here, can you give me a general rundown of your viewpoints and his/her last ones?
-Fox was scumreading Battlemage the most out of everyone in the playerlist earlygame/when they were done catching up.
-They wanted Panzer dead first though because it's a 3p and we have no idea if they're telling the truth.
We agreed with townreads on Deimos and Mikul and that's really all Fox had.
I myself think Cat boi is scum and Shiro is town have not read a single DK or much of Tipsys posts.
pedit: No, no I couldn't because that's giving me information in a game that I am apart of.
In post 824, MariaR wrote:Pretty good putting Titus/Mastina/Shiro/Beeboy in my townie pool.
In post 1100, MariaR wrote:Don't see why Titus goes head to head with Mastina here as scum.
My role is a tracker+watcher combo. I watch/track my combo but my results must be posted in that pt. If they both die I lose my powers. There's also something else that makes no sense in claiming.
If beeboy dies at night, do you get your results in the PT that night?
If so, you could track and watch me. That would prevent scum from roleblocking me. You might also watch chemist.
Yeah I still get my results if beeboy dies at night
Ok, I gave Chemist a gun. He needs to be watched actually. This is regardless of who I am leashed to. Chemist needs to be protected. I had to make a choice between him and mastina. Since mastina has floated shooting me, I picked Chemist.
This is why I said Creature's calculations are off. He wasn't factoring in another town killing.
I would have held off but I don't think I am living longer.
Will do.
In post 1475, MariaR wrote:I just wanna confirm something really quick.
@Titus you shot beeboy and you're sure chemist got a gun correct?
In post 1489, jks wrote:Who did you target N1 and what result, MariaR?
I can't see it in your ISO.
Titus with no visit or action.
In post 1491, MariaR wrote:I can see a world with Titus/Beeboy with Titus not wanting me to track her but if that was the case scum already knew I tracked Titus n1 so I wouldn't be able to do it again.
In post 1493, MariaR wrote:People who normally aren't that talked about in the middle ground are people who normally do things like night kills or actions that would get you caught. So I figured Titus was a good bet.
In post 1511, MariaR wrote:I was roleblocked Titus don't know what else to tell you. Roleblocker some kind of rolestopper I don't know. But at the moment the most logical scum team to me is you+beeboy
In post 1518, MariaR wrote:I guess I'll wait for the others but I'm trying to see what the world is with only 1 of beeboy/Titus scum.
If beeboy is scum and titus is town we had 3 ways of killing scum
If titus is scum and beeboy is town scum had a vig and no way of knowing about a cop/tracker that we're aware of.
Both of these seem pretty reachy
In post 1584, MariaR wrote:Titus if I was scum all I'd do is guilty you and then win off the ml. Sadly I'm town so this game isn't as easy.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:09 am
by Tatsuya Kaname
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:02 pm
by catboi
Okay. That's a relief. I was going to vote that way anyway under the acceptance that if he was mafia he'd engineered a winning gamestate anyway.
Still sort of wanted to iso jks as a technical exercise to affirm my beliefs, but I guess I waited too long. I realized a while ago there was a certain irony in me whining about people tunneling me for my predecessor's actions while I was tunneled on him for his predecessor's actions. One of many things in my play this game that was bad.
VOTE: Titus
jks, let me know if you have any questions for me.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:37 pm
by jks
OK.
I've been thinking over interactions and thinking about what happened night two and I keep coming back to the conclusion this game only really makes sense if Titus is scum.
MariaR's interactions with catboi aren't
as
strong as I initially thought they were but they still don't really look like scum-scum interactions.
On the other hand, I don't really get the impression that Titus was ever a serious thought for either of the flipped scum, as much as they mentioned her. Especially D2, beeboy's reaction to the vig plan just looks incredibly fake.
And I still can't think of a valid reason why catboi would have blocked Titus N2 over just letting that shot go through and being one step closer to endgame.
I'm not really sure any amount of reading is going to change how I think about this so I'm not going to delay it any longer.
Vote: Titus
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:47 pm
by catboi
I'm town. Hopefully you didn't troll me.
I want to say that as painful as this game has been, in some odd way, this final day was fun. Wish I could've put a little more into it, though.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:50 pm
by catboi
Also, Donkey Kong, I did you fucking dirty and I want to say I'm sorry for that.. I said a bunch of mean stuff to you and called you names, and then when you turned around and tried to actually play a little, I ended up quickhammering you, less than a day after I actually towncased you. That was incredibly shit of of me to do.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:50 pm
by catboi
Also sorry for throwing autowin by not doccing Ari
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:03 pm
by catboi
regardless im just glad its over
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by Tatsuya Kaname
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by Tatsuya Kaname
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