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Post Post #2000 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:11 am

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mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage

I'm going to start here considering I just did a quick skim, and none of these were in the 5 that I got any town pings from with the exception of maybe Battle Mage, but haven't read enough to consider my full thoughts there.

I saw the Titus shot, I don't necessarily think that was the best usage of it if you town read Mastina and liked their reads, it put a bullet to them. It could have put a bullet to a more inactive null slot, but I guess Mastina dying means the conf town + reads was always going to be enough to kill here, so this mixed in with Mastina's reads are likely somewhat correct. It was the beginning, so I believe that Mastina wasn't fully correct, but I feel she was on the right path.

Good comment by Sugar Cain. Bell is also someone I'm leaning scum on here within the 12 ish pages I've read. I'll keep doing my catchup, and let you guys know what I think later.

Fair warning, I'm not 100% understanding the mechanics, when I try to read it, it goes right over my head, ha. I imagine eventually it'll all just click, and I'll be like, got it. hoo ha.

Okay, I take back what I said about the Titus shot, I guess. It's a mechanics thing, I was looking at it from face value.


First comment I read by Oil - I saw Dunnstral was being pushed by Mastina, that's interesting. I thought that I would probably agree, but going further back, I actually specifically think Dunnstral is town, and I think this could be indicative of OilScum who saw that Dunnstral was townie, and decided to take that side of the fight. First real scum read.
Oil
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BATTLE MAGE. Finral is a support mage who assists literal Battlemages in fights. Mixed in with this post by Battle Mage, I am soul reading BM as town here. This fits in exactly how I believe Battle Mage town would act here. While I don't like the pronoun comment, I think the slot itself is town.

For what it's worth, I do town read Flea as well. I liked the way they interacted with me on my replace in, and from reading backwards, I am slightly town reading them.

I kind of also want to say "obviously, Super Bowl is scum", but I'm actually not confident in that read. I think it
makes sense
for them to be scum based on their positioning in the game during the Mastina wagon alongside not necessarily agreeing with their pushes, however, I feel there's a chance they are town. I will look more into this. Note that I do want to say they are scum, but I know that could be wrong.


I generally want to town read Firebringer, but there's something about the way they're talking with Bell that makes me get associative pings from them. I'll go into this later on, unless I see more, but I've felt it a couple times. I was thinking originally FB/Mastina fight was just personal, and I believe it is personal, but I don't think that means they're necessarily the same alignment. There are certain things FB has done that I feel has appeared townie rather than is townie, like the revoting of Flea, which I don't think is at all impossible as scum. I don't think I would push here first today, though, never before pushing Bell either.

Guillo vs FB is interesting. I can see it being TvS. This is a note to myself to look deeper into both these slots. I've been indifferent with Guillo thus far.


OOoooooh. Another Oil post I don't like here Flea makes a comment, then Oil makes a comment moving from the current topic. Either way, I think this is Oil who likes the town push of Flea to Noraa as Noraa's partner, or Oil who dislikes the town push from Flea to Noraa, and wants to change subjects, and offer alternatives.

I'm most likely doing whatever the voting equivalent is to Oil because I believe they are scum here.
Would someone walk me through the phases/mechanics of this game?
I need it in a way where I don't space out while reading it.

Parts of me think Kookiemonster/Guillo is fake, but I'll put a tinfoil hat on this one.

this. Everything Oil does is like "do this for me, push here for me." they're staying out of the spotlight, but actively effecting the game with posts like these.

If I had to take a shot in the dark guess of where I'm feeling right now, it would be
Oil, Kookiemonster, Firebringer
as the scum team. Guillo, Bell, and Superbowl are the 3 I want to look into more, and could probably replace into that likely incorrect full solve.

I don't think Oil is town here ever, though.
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Post Post #2001 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:12 am

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In post 2000, Finral wrote:mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage
Bell, Oil, Super probably have 2 scum in them. This would mean my solve in my last post needs to be replaced with one of my outliers.
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Post Post #2002 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:13 am

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kookie monster is just not scum.

Nice attempt there.

Good analysis incorrect conclusions. I willl townread u.
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Post Post #2003 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:14 am

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In post 2002, Firebringer wrote:kookie monster is just not scum.

Nice attempt there.

Good analysis incorrect conclusions. I willl townread u.
Well, then that likely makes you scum then, no?

I think I'm going to trust my read over yours here for now.
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Post Post #2004 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:14 am

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In post 2003, Finral wrote:
In post 2002, Firebringer wrote:kookie monster is just not scum.

Nice attempt there.

Good analysis incorrect conclusions. I willl townread u.
Well, then that likely makes you scum then, no?

I think I'm going to trust my read over yours here for now.
As the official scum ambassador, I think u should trust me when i tell u that kookie is not scum. Thank you for ur time.
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Post Post #2005 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:15 am

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In post 2004, Firebringer wrote:As the official scum ambassador
This is exactly why I would believe you in that sense, and could see you doing this exact line of push as scum with townKookie.
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Post Post #2006 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:16 am

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In post 2005, Finral wrote:
In post 2004, Firebringer wrote:As the official scum ambassador
This is exactly why I would believe you in that sense, and could see you doing this exact line of push as scum with townKookie.
Yes, I am white knighting for kookie. Got to get that town cred somehow.

Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.
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Post Post #2007 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:16 am

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btw i like ur avatar where is it from?
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Post Post #2008 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:17 am

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Explain why you think kookie is town based on posts that aren't just personality because I believe they're the type to get town read because of posts that are really just NAI.

As are you.
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Post Post #2009 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:18 am

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In post 2007, Firebringer wrote:btw i like ur avatar where is it from?

Black Clover. Starts off seeming like it's not going to be good, but it really turns into something special. It's shounen, and I know not everybody likes that, though.
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Post Post #2010 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:19 am

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I don't think I will convince u of kookie town based on my reasoning. I think i already covered her earlier. But she is my strongest townread and it is based on how she came into and interacted with game.
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Post Post #2011 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:19 am

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In post 2006, Firebringer wrote:Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.
Why? I just replaced into the game.

You have no reason to even think I won't immediately switch reads, Firebringer. Ruff ruff.
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Post Post #2012 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:20 am

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In post 2011, Finral wrote:
In post 2006, Firebringer wrote:Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.
Why? I just replaced into the game.

You have no reason to even think I won't immediately switch reads, Firebringer. Ruff ruff.
I just don't like people reading Flea as town. Means I got to do more work on my bussing to get the towncred on their flip.
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2013 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:20 am

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Yeah, I could be dead wrong.

Maybe it's Flea, Bell, and Guillo.

I think I'm going to let Superbowl pocket me if they are scum because something there is poking at me to just accept that they're town and go from there despite my common sense wanting to push them as scum.
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Post Post #2014 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:21 am

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No, I think Bell is town too.
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Post Post #2015 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:21 am

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In post 2012, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2011, Finral wrote:
In post 2006, Firebringer wrote:Your read on Flea is bad and we are laughing at u in the PT.
Why? I just replaced into the game.

You have no reason to even think I won't immediately switch reads, Firebringer. Ruff ruff.
I just don't like people reading Flea as town. Means I got to do more work on my bussing to get the towncred on their flip.
Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
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Post Post #2016 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:21 am

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I don't think bell would point out something his scum team did (in other words the whole post about cancelling actions that was used to frame me).
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Post Post #2017 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:22 am

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In post 2014, Firebringer wrote:No, I think Bell is town too.
I'm not expecting to have a full solve right now. I'm trying to get a lay of the land.

This is helping. I don't know if I should trust your reads or not, but it is helping.
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Post Post #2018 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:22 am

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In post 2016, Firebringer wrote:I don't think bell would point out something his scum team did (in other words the whole post about cancelling actions that was used to frame me).
That's fair.

When I start interacting with players, my reads will update.
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Post Post #2019 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:23 am

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I personally think I have a strong Flea read.

Even if it's wrong, it won't stay wrong forever if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, I think it'll stay correct.
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Post Post #2020 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:24 am

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In post 2015, Finral wrote:Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.

Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.
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Post Post #2021 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:25 am

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In post 2019, Finral wrote:Even if it's wrong, it won't stay wrong forever if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, I think it'll stay correct.
isn't this how everyone thinks
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2022 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:26 am

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In post 2020, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2015, Finral wrote:Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.

Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.
but is that indicative of ScumFlea or scum knowing Flea is town but can't explain why, they're doing it for survival reasons?
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Post Post #2023 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:27 am

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In post 2022, Finral wrote:
In post 2020, Firebringer wrote:
In post 2015, Finral wrote:Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.

Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.
but is that indicative of ScumFlea or scum knowing Flea is town but can't explain why, they're doing it for survival reasons?
are u asking if the townreads people are giving are justified under the scenario or if i am reading flea not out of scumflea but just whaat i think is scummy.

man i don't know how to parse this.
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His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2024 (ISO) » Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:28 am

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In post 305, Oil Tycoons wrote:
In post 256, Flea The Magician wrote:Yeah the cain wagon is BS. Me no likey.

and trust me I've wiped out enough Cell Jr's. :P

I'm locked on my BM vote for the time being but I can get with BM vs SB.
I'm warm for a BM vote if firebringer shows me something good. He seems a hell of a lot more measured than what I'm used to from Battle town.
I could see Flea/Oil.
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