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Look here’s what I’m trying to do, maybe it helps you understand where I’m coming from. There’s clearly some strategic defending of slots going on here. You are strongly defending Anya, pushing T3. Titus is basically doing the exact opposite. You also think Titus is Scum. Titus is being strongly TR by two players you were previously pushing in DotW, DGB, who now have essentially locked themselves into a pair that either is Scum or the Scum will have to penetrate (I’m guessing the latter). So concluding that {Anya, T3} contains one Scum for example, or {Titus, You} have one Scum, or that peta could be aligned with say you and Anya, doesn’t seem that preposterous to me. The hard thing here from where I stand is to spot a weak point in the Scum Team and have the rest of the dominoes fall correctly. There’s also some White Knighting going on I’m sure. And Scum could be sitting on opposite sides of the argument on purpose. But surely there’s some Scum in here given how much you all are attacking each other.In post 1998, Dwlee99 wrote:Andre, given that there was no "fight" between T3 and I, do you still think at least one of us is evil?
Like this expresses a level of certainty that I’m always suspicious of. I have yet to find a player in this entire forum I think is like consistently right as Town, outside of like a few players I won’t name. There aren’t any here. petapan has already demonstrated that they don’t have the best reads. If they do, then please let me know and we should execute there because they were horribly wrong about Nero and they can’t say that some folks didn’t hint at it. I directly told peta they were coming in too hot and were probably wrong about Nero. Go find it.In post 1973, petapan wrote:WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOFIn post 1971, Titus wrote:Why isn't Anya happening today? That claim reeks of being coached and flubbed.
In post 2002, Andresvmb wrote:And DW, the colors you chose are horrendous. Not going to lie. Gives me a bit of a headache.
You clearly haven’t played with me. I do sometimes go really hard against a SR, but only when I think it’s obvious. Ask T3. Otherwise, I avoid it. I think I’m decent, but I certainly don’t think I’m infallible. I always try and figure out what’s happening. But calling my pairings “dumb” implies that you have a better handle of the game. And I’m sorry to say, but you have basically already given up the fact that you can also be horribly wrong. Otherwise, why backtrack so hard when another player hints at a mechanical result?In post 2004, Dwlee99 wrote:I think that your pairings are dumb and I think that the way you talk to me doesn't feel like you actually scumread me here otherwise you wouldn't be phrasing things like you're trying to tell me you didn't like the color palette I chose on a presentation.
When are you talking about this happening? When you stopped lurking or after your scumread of me?In post 2002, Andresvmb wrote:You completely flipped on how you were approaching me (and now seem to want to appease me) even though I’ve been posting just like I was before, though maybe more frequently.
I'm not even claiming I have a great handle on the game and I'm not trying to offend either. I think the concept of "one of {Anya, Titus} has to be scum" is just wrong in a game like this. If there was some TvS interaction I could understand but you're essentially doing the scumread version of sloppy vote count analysis. ("Well, I think that this many scum are on this wagon sooo kill this person")In post 2007, Andresvmb wrote:But calling my pairings “dumb” implies that you have a better handle of the game. And I’m sorry to say, but you have basically already given up the fact that you can also be horribly wrong. Otherwise, why backtrack so hard when another player hints at a mechanical result?
In post 1701, Andresvmb wrote:@DW I’m still reading. It’s not the easiest game to read back to front. But I do think you’re Town if that helps.
If your read of me here was genuine, I think you would have pushed me here. Like if you had thought I was Scum trying to pocket you or that it was me trying to defuse tension between us, I think you express it or keep your vote on me. Instead, you tacitly agree to stop engaging.
For the record IIn post 1928, Andresvmb wrote:Can you point me to this please?In post 1905, Dwlee99 wrote:DotW claimed cop inno on dgb though.
I get this. I'll say nothing further.In post 2012, Dragon of the West wrote:For the record IIn post 1928, Andresvmb wrote:Can you point me to this please?In post 1905, Dwlee99 wrote:DotW claimed cop inno on dgb though.didn'tclaim I had acopinno. I said I can confirm DGB as town-aligned
In post 1905, Dwlee99 wrote:Why? I think it would be weird for scum to go no actions done -> no result. Voyeur is also a weird role for scum to have.In post 1901, Titus wrote:I'm still leaning towards scum with that claim though.DotW claimed cop inno on dgb though.Andresvmb wrote:The way DotW is looking to shade Anya is so bizarre I would absolutely blow it up.
In post 1934, Dwlee99 wrote:I interpreted this an inno result @andreIn post 1773, Dragon of the West wrote:In case people ever need to come back to this to solve the game, I can only confirm DGB and myself as town. Titus is just a read right nowIn post 1755, Dwlee99 wrote:DGB + DotW + Titus all just insisting they are a town block gives me the heeby jeebies.
And look at this progression here. You’re obviously going from engaging me and trying to help me develop a read to pushing me because my read of you changed. But why couldn’t my switch be genuine? You’re pairing ME with T3 when I was happy to wagon there and push them to the brink, why because I decided to jump on you? Unless Anya / T3 are both Scum AND my Scum Partners (a stretch yes?), why don’t I just push the CW to start?In post 1960, Dwlee99 wrote:Not to come off as OMGUS but Andre's sudden read change on me is terribad. He was on those pages agreeing with my reads and now he is going back and trying to say I'm scum for probably being wrong on DGB + DotW on a reread. It also reeks of T3 counterwagon.
Osaka might be scum. They might have site flaked.In post 2008, Andresvmb wrote:Ah actually, maybe osuka on a good day. Which is why I asked them to provide their thoughts. But they haven’t really tried to solve too hard and I’m somewhat skeptical there still.
I think you’re intentionally trying to discount my analysis here. I’m basically saying I think some of these arguments are either TvT or TVS. I SR some of you, so I’m thinking some of this is TvS. The phrasing might be different but that’s exactly what I mean. And what vote count analysis? I’m basing this entirely of the strength of the arguments you are making.In post 2010, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not even claiming I have a great handle on the game and I'm not trying to offend either. I think the concept of "one of {Anya, Titus} has to be scum" is just wrong in a game like this. If there was some TvS interaction I could understand but you're essentially doing the scumread version of sloppy vote count analysis. ("Well, I think that this many scum are on this wagon sooo kill this person")In post 2007, Andresvmb wrote:But calling my pairings “dumb” implies that you have a better handle of the game. And I’m sorry to say, but you have basically already given up the fact that you can also be horribly wrong. Otherwise, why backtrack so hard when another player hints at a mechanical result?
dude i don't care if i wrongly tunnel early d1In post 2005, Andresvmb wrote:Like this expresses a level of certainty that I’m always suspicious of. I have yet to find a player in this entire forum I think is like consistently right as Town, outside of like a few players I won’t name. There aren’t any here. petapan has already demonstrated that they don’t have the best reads. If they do, then please let me know and we should execute there because they were horribly wrong about Nero and they can’t say that some folks didn’t hint at it. I directly told peta they were coming in too hot and were probably wrong about Nero. Go find it.In post 1973, petapan wrote:WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOFIn post 1971, Titus wrote:Why isn't Anya happening today? That claim reeks of being coached and flubbed.
wonder whyIn post 2016, Titus wrote:I'm starting to like Andres as town here.
I stopped pushing you because I found your posts good. My scumread on you before was basically PoE on lurkersAndresvmb wrote:In post 1701, Andresvmb wrote:@DW I’m still reading. It’s not the easiest game to read back to front. But I do think you’re Town if that helps.If your read of me here was genuine, I think you would have pushed me here. Like if you had thought I was Scum trying to pocket you or that it was me trying to defuse tension between us, I think you express it or keep your vote on me. Instead, you tacitly agree to stop engaging.
If you read my posts to Titus I'm not pairing you with anyone. It isn't just that your read on me changed, it is that your read on me changed for terrible and what feels like forced reasons. You were given refutation of major parts of your reasoning and then just BS'd more.Andresvmb wrote:In post 1905, Dwlee99 wrote:Why? I think it would be weird for scum to go no actions done -> no result. Voyeur is also a weird role for scum to have.In post 1901, Titus wrote:I'm still leaning towards scum with that claim though.DotW claimed cop inno on dgb though.Andresvmb wrote:The way DotW is looking to shade Anya is so bizarre I would absolutely blow it up.In post 1934, Dwlee99 wrote:I interpreted this an inno result @andreIn post 1773, Dragon of the West wrote:In case people ever need to come back to this to solve the game, I can only confirm DGB and myself as town. Titus is just a read right nowIn post 1755, Dwlee99 wrote:DGB + DotW + Titus all just insisting they are a town block gives me the heeby jeebies.And look at this progression here. You’re obviously going from engaging me and trying to help me develop a read to pushing me because my read of you changed. But why couldn’t my switch be genuine? You’re pairing ME with T3 when I was happy to wagon there and push them to the brink, why because I decided to jump on you? Unless Anya / T3 are both Scum AND my Scum Partners (a stretch yes?), why don’t I just push the CW to start?In post 1960, Dwlee99 wrote:Not to come off as OMGUS but Andre's sudden read change on me is terribad. He was on those pages agreeing with my reads and now he is going back and trying to say I'm scum for probably being wrong on DGB + DotW on a reread. It also reeks of T3 counterwagon.
I was making analogy to VCA. Sure, some of them are probably TvS but which ones and why? You made it seem like you think all of the pairings you named have at least one scum in them, not that one of the pairings has one scum which is meaningless because of how mathematically certain it is correct.Andresvmb wrote:I think you’re intentionally trying to discount my analysis here. I’m basically saying I think some of these arguments are either TvT or TVS. I SR some of you, so I’m thinking some of this is TvS. The phrasing might be different but that’s exactly what I mean. And what vote count analysis? I’m basing this entirely of the strength of the arguments you are making.In post 2010, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm not even claiming I have a great handle on the game and I'm not trying to offend either. I think the concept of "one of {Anya, Titus} has to be scum" is just wrong in a game like this. If there was some TvS interaction I could understand but you're essentially doing the scumread version of sloppy vote count analysis. ("Well, I think that this many scum are on this wagon sooo kill this person")In post 2007, Andresvmb wrote:But calling my pairings “dumb” implies that you have a better handle of the game. And I’m sorry to say, but you have basically already given up the fact that you can also be horribly wrong. Otherwise, why backtrack so hard when another player hints at a mechanical result?
Funny enough, I agree. You know what isn’t though? Making yourself obvious Town. You most certainly haven’t achieved that here. And by trying to present so much strength behind some of your arguments, I think you come across worse.In post 2020, petapan wrote:d1 read rate is one of the most overrated skills in mafia games