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In post 1999, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Alright, we got

something

out of Salsa/Marci toward the end at least. I still have the feeling this is going to flip town though.

VOTE: N_M

That we aren’t the vig scum!you desperately looking for to nk??? You can never know you know!

In post 2001, Dwlee99 wrote:I know it is in his signature but if he is town I'm down to just policy eliminate him every game I'm in.

In post 2005, Dwlee99 wrote:There is still 22 hours of deadline.

In post 1989, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: salsa

In post 1804, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1612, Dwlee99 wrote:Individual reads:

Me
(for math)
Conftown people

Math/Kyo

Salsa/Marci

NM

Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa.

I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?

Individual reads indicate Salsa and Marci in the same tier as scumreads above N_M. Together reads says Marci and Salsa are no scum together, Based on

what Dwlee has seen

.

In post 1726, Dwlee99 wrote:Unless deepwolf I feel okay about Kyo and Mathblade. My vibe tells me salsa and Marci aren't both scum at the very least.

That leaves you

This is the reason that N_M goes down to the bottom of the readslist - because Salsa and Marci are not scum together. It's not a good reason, so I questioned Dwlee about his reasoning, and he's dancing around giving a concrete reason to why they are not scum together. Just "vibes", but below we will see what "vibes" means in context.

I don’t see why it’s not a good reason. I have formed reads based on who is a compatible read a lot of times. Vibes can be a thing.

Green is my inserts into the below

In post 1785, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1783, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1781, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1776, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1774, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

There's some credibility to it, sure, but I don't really buy it. Vibes don't match

This is where he brings up Vibes. I quote reply to this post and ask if N_M's vibes match with anyone. It is clear we are talking about the same "vibes" from above

Do N_M's vibes match with anyone?

Given that he has hardly posted? Yea. I could see him teamed with you, Marci, or Salsa.

Dwlee says "yea", implying that the same type of vibes that make Marci and Salsa not teamed, are present between N_M and {myself, Marci, and Salsa}, because any of us can be his partner in Dwlee's eyes. "Vibes" can be translated to teammate equity here, and if we're talking about the same vibes as he was originally saying make Salsa and Marci unlikely partners, he's talking about negative equity. This is what I point out in the next reply.

So by "Vibes don't match", you aren't even talking about vibes... you're talking about teammate equity. That is something that can be quantified. Show me, with evidence, the posts that indicate negative equity between salsa and marci.

In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation.

Titus did literally no solving. That is why she was my priority at that point in the game. I found DGB scummy only in a meta sense, and that is why I didn't vote there.

Vibes don't match clearly meant teammate vibes, and no, vibes can't be quantified

. They just don't seem to both be evil.

Now he is saying it meant teammate vibes which is somehow different from teammate equity in his eyes? And refusing to quantify what is negative equity between because they're just teammate "vibes", not teammate "equity" (which are clearly, in context of 1783, the same thing). Then he says "they just don't both seem to be evil." This isn't even on the topic of teammate equity anymore, as he doesn't mention "evil together." So now he's slipping he doesn't SR one of them, imo, which is not in line with either the reads he posted earlier today, or the reasoning for voting N_M.

In post 1794, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

In post 1791, Dwlee99 wrote:Kyo if you're gonna call me scummy for using a word/phrase that perfectly describes how you said I meta townread DGB, I don't care to have this conversation

I've caught scum with this before. I don't think it's natural language coming from you and it looks worse to me that you're brushing it off.

And if you want to continue to split hairs, I didn't say

you townread DGB for meta reasons

. I said

you used meta as a reason not to vote it, rather than examining the veracity of my case on DGB

. It's a subtle difference between "townreading" and "not scumreading", but the way you leap from "not scumreading" -

over

my point on examining DGB's ISO through the lens of the case in good faith - to the subtly different "townreading", and then say my point is "divorced from" your argument indicates to me that I'm onto something here and you're blowing a subtle difference out of proportion with strong languaging that you don't normally use on site.

It's not only that you're slightly misunderstanding a subtlety, but that you're then blowing the part that you misunderstand out of proportion, with unnatural language that you don't normally use,

and ignoring

the clear-cut point that cannot be misunderstood. And I know you understand subtlety, because when you were arguing with Roden earlier, one of your arguments against them was that they were not making a good faith effort to repeat back what you said. What they said was that you wanted to vote me out because I was pushing you. What you wrote was more along the lines of "Kyouko is scummy because she should know that town!me has a problem with his attention span", (from memory, feel free to correct if this is wrong)

In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 552, Roden wrote:

In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 544, Roden wrote:

In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?

Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.

I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?

You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.

In post 2020, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I think Math is town after that. He could just have easily gotten support for Marci for quickhammering on D2, as his point was neither of them should be around for ELO. If Math was scum with N_M he could have pushed Marci instead.

Pedit: You need to consider who else is scum because the game does not end with me.

In post 2022, Dwlee99 wrote:The one thing giving me pause on is would scum!Kyo be that obvious there? Too scummy to be scum?

In post 1938, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:

Spoiler: N_M meta

Lmao, just went to read some N_M games and the first one I open is a nightless micro where he gets hammered on page 1 as VT

Still looking, just thought I'd share.