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I wish StD had just openly discussed this with us given he'd already soft claimed.

I strongly doubt any town protection roles would have guarded Johnny too, so yeah very much not clear.

Ausuka, Scamper and Freedom are still firmly town to me.

I still don't really know what to think about Marci. Her D2 posts looked a bit better but she's hard to read.

Scum is probably in Datisi, Gamma, Johnny.

I'm just doing this.
VOTE: Johnny

We have 3 confirmed town PRs and Ausuka's claim makes 4. I'm doubting there's anything on the town side that exists to have protected Johnny.

Oh wait, I just read StD's role and saw the non-vanilla thing, lol. Yeah still doesn't clear Johnny and reasonable odds he's scum IMO given we have 4 town PRs out there. Probably higher odds of him just being mafia [insert power role].

In post 1999, scamper wrote:Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

Sorry, Crescent, if you're reading this.

In post 2003, Freedom wrote:

In post 1999, scamper wrote:Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

The only thing we know of that could have blocked or protected anyone was the scum JK. I feel like there's reasonable odds that there probably isn't a town doc or anything. I know I'm probably overanalysing and meta gaming but I think a lack of doc/town protection roles would explain why StD was a simple vig and can't kill PRs.
I'm doubting anything else prevented StD from carrying out the kill though, I feel like scum having a JK and RB would be pretty busted. I think it's more likely that scum have an investigative role given the existence of a traitor and that would probably give more credence to the miller claim.

Holy fucking shit Fenrir, your skull is denser than a neutron star

Wait I thought JF was a neighbor for some reason, never mind

In post 1997, scamper wrote:I'm really, really mad about everything right now. why, why, WHY do you not just CLAIM instead of REPLACING OUT?

and what on earth was that vig shot?

I'll be back when I'm less annoyed

At the very least she should have claimed pre-replacing out so we didn’t vote out a confirmable role!

In post 2003, Freedom wrote:

In post 1999, scamper wrote:Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

Also adding onto what I said before, re: this. I absolutely think there's zero chance he was protected by anyone as town. For one I can't see any doc or similar thinking Johnny needs protecting. Secondly, if we have a doc or something, I can't think of any reason why they don't protect StD last night.

Datisi

Alexcellent
JohnnyFarrar


scamper

Freedom
marcistar
Gamma Emerald

* - unconfirmed

I can't say this with 100% certainty obvs but I don't think any town protection role or BP or anything fits with this setup. Tbh I think strong odds that all town PRs are known now. Vig only being able to kill vanilla and Friendly Neighbour only being able to interact with vanilla says that there's probably a fair amount of vanilla left over.

I tend to believe Freedom is town by the way of Corwin being scum and Roden's death sorta suggests to me that scum wanted to weaken the hood. Not confirmed town but I would doubt he's scum.
Scamper's entire play screams town.

Datisi/Johnny/Marci/Gamma is the scumpool from where I sit. I think based on StD's result (and most of his play) Johnny should probably be the lim today.

We have 8 players (presumably 6 town/2 scum left probs). If we mislim today, I think tomorrow is MyLo.
Will go back and read deeper into some ISOs I think. I have doubts about scum!Datisi now based on some other stuff but it could still be him. I need to take a harder look at Gamma.

In post 2005, Alexcellent wrote:

In post 2003, Freedom wrote:

In post 1999, scamper wrote:Okay, now that I'm *slightly* less mad - looking at the flip, I'm assuming this means STD targeted johnny on night 1? So that means johnny is a PR since he didn't die?

During N1, the target that STD claimed was Johnny.
This doesn't reveal that Johnny is a PR though.
It might've been that he was protected or STD was prevented from NKing him.
It's somewhat funny that I thought that STD would target Crescent and was thinking of telling him not to in our hood.

The only thing we know of that could have blocked or protected anyone was the scum JK. I feel like there's reasonable odds that there probably isn't a town doc or anything. I know I'm probably overanalysing and meta gaming but I think a lack of doc/town protection roles would explain why StD was a simple vig and can't kill PRs.
I'm doubting anything else prevented StD from carrying out the kill though, I feel like scum having a JK and RB would be pretty busted. I think it's more likely that scum have an investigative role given the existence of a traitor and that would probably give more credence to the miller claim.

I see.
So you think that if Johnny was protected, it would be by scum?
Either that or he's scum PR, right?

If Johnny was protected I don't see the reasoning why a townie would do it, and given how many PRs we have already I'm doubting town has further protective powers in any case. At the same time I doubt scum have much means to protect as well given they've lost their JK (unless maybe scum BP?). But in any case I think the most likely explanation is Johnny is a scum PR.

Are we doing massclaim today? That seems like it would make sense

In post 2012, Ausuka wrote:Are we doing massclaim today? That seems like it would make sense

I was thinking that but wasn't sure if it's better to hold off a day or not

Actually yeah, fuck it, probably is for the best rather than risking it on MyLo/LyLo

I'm VT

@Freedom, did StD say anything in the hood during the night? You two didn't have any discussion about who he should vig or anything at all?

In post 2011, Alexcellent wrote:If Johnny was protected I don't see the reasoning why a townie would do it, and given how many PRs we have already I'm doubting town has further protective powers in any case. At the same time I doubt scum have much means to protect as well given they've lost their JK (unless maybe scum BP?). But in any case I think the most likely explanation is Johnny is a scum PR.

Yeah.
I was thinking that Johnny might be scum Bulletproof if he wasn't a scum PR.

In post 2012, Ausuka wrote:Are we doing massclaim today? That seems like it would make sense

OK.
I'm Town Neighbor.
(No role attached.)

In post 2015, Alexcellent wrote:@Freedom, did StD say anything in the hood during the night? You two didn't have any discussion about who he should vig or anything at all?

He said nothing during the night.

yawns

see alex is too try hard to be scum

i think everybody should shush about the vig shot
whats done is done no use crying about it.

i support dragons decision if it was meant to help further his reads

In post 2014, Alexcellent wrote:Actually yeah, fuck it, probably is for the best rather than risking it on MyLo/LyLo

I'm VT

well shit

i can confirm that alex is vanilla (idk if he's a town one)

i was planning on claiming a guilty and seeing what he claims, but also i just woke up so rip

we doing the massclaim?

yeet

not voting [8]:Datisi, Ausuka, Alexellent, JohnnyFarrar, Scamper, Freedom, marcistar, Gamma Emerald

VOTE: johnny

i see he's online, he should claim asap.

I'm town simple combined doctor voyeur.

I visited Crescent n1, and should I say who I visited n2? Or do we wanna potentially catch them in a lie?

Tbf I had to ask several questions to even fully understand what my results meant each night anyway