In post 1970, Charloux wrote:Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.
...was this known or did you out it for no reason
actually wait how was this known
this is not public information to the leaders afaik
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:39 am
by Cephrir
I'm less enthused about outing shiro than the rest of the table is. They can clarify how serious they were I guess but I'd be upset if we outed masons or something just because we can't find anyone to vote that isn't marashu
Idk I want to vote kitty but I'm not feeling sure about it. I'm having trouble finding the scum in this game. I still get scum off basically every datisi post but I think he's very valuable as town so hesitant to kill him
In post 1985, fireisredsir wrote:in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before
have you looked at all his scumgames? which ones?
I can’t not scum read you for posts like this.
Who investigates this angle?
What are you expecting to find? Them lying? Something to agree or disagree on? Where is this going to lead? Is it a good use of your time? Will it help you read fire?
...
fire said kitty has done more here than "ever before". i don't know if this is an exaggeration or not. (to be clear, neither is scummy; the purpose of this isn't to read fire.) if it's not an exaggeration, i want to know which games they've looked at. (1) so i can potentially look at those games myself if i need to, (2) so i can potentially enter a conversation with fire? because they said they've struggled to respond to pressure as scum before, and like... kitty's play here looks exactly like that description? but i don't have the meta they have? so i wanna see if i'm wrong about that (i.e. kitty struggles much more than here as scum) or if fire is wrong?
like... at this point surely you can also see that you've decided to see all of my posts in the worst light possible because this is not even that difficult of a post to parse
pedit: cephrir, why do you consider me "valuable as town"? why do you even find me scum for at this point?
and i'm also interested in whatever the fuck is happening with that 1sbp thing but i guess wait until charloux is back
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:49 am
by Cephrir
I thought your analytical skills were good in that one game we were in a hood recently
And I don't have a reason for suspecting you it's just tone/vibes I know that's not going to be satisfying sry
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:52 am
by Datisi
well that makes me think you're trying to test the waters of pushing me so yes, that is not satisfying in the slightest
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:55 am
by Cephrir
why would i need to test the waters when i already know from yesterday that pushing you is viable
i also made the same comment yesterday so it's not like this is a new idea from me
I just got back from V/LA, will be rereading / catching up shortly
my only vibe from Titus previously was "disengaged" but I don't think that's AI
Fair, I have been focusing on not fucking up my role and getting to points where I am more useful with data. Plus, kinda tired.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:00 am
by Titus
In post 1930, Cephrir wrote:my gut response was "why wouldn't you post this in your neighborhood"
Because I don't know who the leader is and trusting only one person leads to them wondering if it's wifom alone.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:01 am
by Titus
In post 1931, Dannflor wrote:would it be Bad and Wrong of me to think that the FA kill makes it more likely that one of the leaders is scum
My thoughts exactly.
I'd sheep FA's townblock as I bet FA would insist warrior powers go there.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:06 am
by Titus
VCA theory time, then compare to FA's TRs. Let's go.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:08 am
by Cephrir
why is it important to sheep players who might have powers
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:16 am
by Datisi
In post 2005, Cephrir wrote:why would i need to test the waters when i already know from yesterday that pushing you is viable
ik it's viable
but if you go "idk datisi is kinda scummy right guys right i'm not gonna push him but am i right" it (1) lets other people know that you will support my yeet (2) without you actually going in head first
and the fact that you had the same thoughts yesterday kinda makes it worse because it makes it clear you didn't actually try to sort me at all
Here we see the mastina wagon start. Dan moves off not voting to mastina. Dan's likely town unless both EE and Kitty are scum. Can't see scum really pushing for a third wagon unless they know Kitty or NorwegianboyEE's role saves them and it was too early for a claim.
Plus points for Alisae Kitty as a team, especially if Norway wagon is overloaded. Minor plus though not huge.
Marashu wagon totally dies here. If Datisi is scum, Marashu wagon likely scumlead. Fire and NorwegianboyEE both jump to mastina over Datisi.
I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.
@Cephrir - I'm not saying sheep people who have powers. I'm saying sheep FA TRs because if FA wanted to give powers to scum, she'd be more likely to be alive.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:18 am
by Titus
VOTE: Datisi
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:18 am
by Mistyx
In post 1992, Bell wrote:I agree that bear’s reactions the last few pages have been pitch perfect to my ears in terms of towniness.
i havent been feeling this so im interested in your take here
In post 1892, Alisae wrote:btw, you wanna hear how you do cancel culture right?
There's this misconception about cancel culture that to cancel someone you start personally attacking them.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense cause that's just being a shitty person.
Here is what you do.
Take who you wanna cancel, so KittyTacky in this case, and you do not engage with him. You do not interact with his posts. You do not engage about the topic other than telling people that you're not engaging with it and these are the reason's that you shouldn't engage with it.
There is no talking to this person.
Talking to this person in main thread means you are wasting yours posts.
I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THIS
In post 1891, KittyTacky wrote:I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.
VOTE: Norwegian
This person is not worth your posts. He is only worth your vote.
ik this seems like not an entirely serious post but i still don't really like the approach, kitty seems like someone who is more sortable by talking to them and trying to get them engaged in the game
in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before
idk what the point of not engaging with them would be. if you think that everything they post is obvscum then what's wrong with people trying to talk to them and having them post more
it is serious. I’m not going to engage with the player anymore considering I saw a post in mini theme q where he declared himself a troll and said he ruins games. I actively hate this shit.
I already engaged and interacted with the player on d1 and when they asked me to explain my Norwee tr to them I decided that im not going to engage with anything they say. I feel like when I am interacting with them I am talking to scum who is unwavering in their stances. Explaining why Norwee is town to scum isn’t going to do anything and is not worth my time or posts.
Their posts during d1 after that conversation with him where I just leave a vote reinforces this.
Catboi’s stance on the player says it beautifully.
Him calling a vote on him where I join the his wagon after my attempt at flashwagoning mastina failed opportunist just completely reinforces this to me. For all he could know he could be right on me or he could be wrong. The way he talks about his reads just comes across as someone who is pushing reads that are literally worse than random. Town literally never cares about dead town reads. So why does this person suddenly care? I think the guy is just scum using that so he doesn’t have to form his own conclusions. Mastina didn’t engage with any of the posts that talked about how me and Norwee can’t be wolf together, and neither did this person, nor do I get the feeling that he actually cares. He is probably just going to scapegoat once one of us flip town.
I really don’t care about the meta of some troll if that’s how u sort them good for u.
Other people can do whatever the fuck they want, I just think that engaging with the slot to me is a waste of posts. I mean I think the guy posts like an open wolf npc but I mean maybe more people need more time to reach that conclusion? I’m just saying why I’m not engaging with it, and you shouldn’t either it’s not worth ur posts.
I think FA jumped on the wrong opportunistic vote on mastina and that it was Val's vote. Val's largely absent until it's time to put mastina to the point of no return.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:27 am
by Datisi
In post 2012, Titus wrote:I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.
In post 1970, Charloux wrote:Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.
...was this known or did you out it for no reason
actually wait how was this known
this is not public information to the leaders afaik
Ah i can see how you misunderstood because i phrased it poorly. We were talking about scum being among leaders and i said it's unlikely because we can't protect the promoted people then gave a plausible theory pp came up with which can justify there being scum among leaders.
Didn't have the intention to state it as a fact, sorry.
In post 2012, Titus wrote:I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.
why.
Because it answers a lot about the motivations for yesterday.
I could also go with fire or Val flips.
i am asking you to spell it out. what EXACTLY does it answer. if i flip red. if i flip green.
i can sense that i'm a possible misyeet, especially if i'm right on kitty being scum, so i'm not letting people get it with reasoning as vague and meaningless as "best for gamestate".
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:30 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2002, Datisi wrote:(2) so i can potentially enter a conversation with fire? because they said they've struggled to respond to pressure as scum before, and like... kitty's play here looks exactly like that description? but i don't have the meta they have? so i wanna see if i'm wrong about that (i.e. kitty struggles much more than here as scum) or if fire is wrong?
i mean i agree that his responses don't look like surface level good here but thats not really what im looking for
its more that as scum i felt his responses were v flat and lifeless and not really trying to have a conversation or engagement over it
