Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:00 am
He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.
vote messiah complex
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:17 am
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:30 am
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:55 am
Because he's not? He's lagging scummily behind, I don't get how you'd get a super town read from that. It's tempting to jump over but I'm waiting for Amrun to do something (anything) as well as waiting for Naut's promised ubermensch list which will convince me he is the true messiah again.In post 2025, Cephrir wrote:He is town as heck though. Not sure why this isn't obvious.
On the opposite side, I think Dessiah still looks town as heck and don't get where the tones of distrust are coming from, other then that he confirmed he got a flower and somehow he should ignore role results he got.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 8:57 am
Why are you defending Messiah?In post 1913, StupendousMan wrote:...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?
I don't like Tierce following along, but not really contributing, especially after complaining that she's had a long day.
Considering that you seem to know exactly why I wouldn't want to lynch them, I have no idea why you would object to me not wanting to lynch them.In post 1928, Alfred Borden wrote:It's a little early for "Don't want to lynch today" on neutralreads.
Also both of those players have good amounts to go off of.
Which makes you think what?In post 1946, Nautilius wrote:This was a stronger response than I expected.In post 1933, Amrun wrote:If you LITERALLY think it has anything to do with alignment, and are not just bullshitting, then you probably need your head checked. That's your own fucking problem. Sometimes, it's not so obvious. This time it's OBVIOUS and cross-games of all alignments including modded games. You're reaching at straws -- why resort to that? Don't you have ANY other better reads? Who else is scum? Your reasoning on messiah is also really scant/ completely non-existent.
As for the Kanye vote, your attack on me for not justifying it is obviously bogus, since you've plainly been able to find the post where I backed it up.In post 1948, elleheathen wrote:I'm not using your RVS against you - and state specifically that I only add the first vote in there to show the one that is RVS. Are you saying your second vote on Kanye in 62 is not RVS? Because it looks like you're defending it as a legitimate vote in 69, 182 and 187...
I meant posts 1814, 1824, 1862.In post 1948, elleheathen wrote:If you mean the wagon as a whole, I think this is exactly the time it needs to happen. There seems to be a lot of questions arisen due to her inactivity and/or lack of contribution - and running her up seems to be working if only to get her involved/responding because lurking isn't going to cut it - we need more.
If you mean the people on Amrun's wagon, I have Alfred, Naut and Goat as town. Shadoweh I had as leaning town but the whole marriage thing/no marriage/dragon marriage fail gives me weird vibes. But I'm not really clear on what happens with all that so idk but it puts her back at a null. (Anyone wanna clear up what happened there for me? D: )
Because they are posting content and neither seems scummy.In post 1949, elleheathen wrote:Why not?In post 1907, Zdenek wrote:I don't have a strong read on either Cephir or Ooba, but I don't want to lynch either of them today.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:08 am
Mollie can you walk me through your thoughts in 1978, 1982?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:27 am
It's bullshit.In post 1991, quadz08 wrote:Elleheathen approaching her case in 1891 from a town perspective. It's a good case, and the fact that she included his RVS vote needs to not take away from the important stuff in it.
This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.In post 1998, Garruk Relentless wrote:I think Syryana was a bulletproof townie who got replaced upon kill. That might just be the Sirens talking to me again, though.
Oh dear lord.In post 2017, Messiah Complex wrote:@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy
You're wrong.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
- Des
A lot of Messiah's thoughts seem really contrived.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:46 am
You mean this?In post 2017, Messiah Complex wrote:@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummy
I do not see why doing the thing that is the opposite of what you say town should do makes him town. Would you like to tell me again that your logic isn't bad?In post 1898, Messiah Complex wrote:@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:52 am
She does it regardless of alignment.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
- Des
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:12 pm
I'm in the midst of grading papers and getting ready for meetings this week. Don't expect actual content from me before Tuesday at the earliest. (Unless I'm procrastinating and in that case yell at me to finish my work!)
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:55 pm
Because Messiah is obvtown and I want to know how the hell people view them as scum.In post 2029, Zdenek wrote:Why are you defending Messiah?In post 1913, StupendousMan wrote:...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:56 pm
Why are they obv. town?In post 2035, StupendousMan wrote:Because Messiah is obvtown and I want to know how the hell people view them as scum.In post 2029, Zdenek wrote:Why are you defending Messiah?In post 1913, StupendousMan wrote:...I don't understand this at all. Are you just trying to be different or what?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:05 pm
In post 2020, StupendousMan wrote:so far Desp has been mimicking my thought process which makes them super town.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:07 pm
At least I can see why this would make you think that they are town.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:11 pm
lolIn post 2031, Zdenek wrote: This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.
For this statement to make any sense I'd have to be scum with Syryana, which is quite frankly just silly even if you view me as scum.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:18 pm
No. Scum would have noticed that Syryana was untargetable. It has nothing to do with you and Syryana being scum together.In post 2039, Garruk Relentless wrote:lolIn post 2031, Zdenek wrote: This just looks like you are trying to feign a lack of knowledge.
For this statement to make any sense I'd have to be scum with Syryana, which is quite frankly just silly even if you view me as scum.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:33 pm
Everyone knew that Syryana was untargettable, or are you going off my theory that he was attempted-daykilled?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:41 pm
So what were you thinking when you posted this?
In post 1998, Garruk Relentless wrote:I think Syryana was a bulletproof townie who got replaced upon kill. That might just be the Sirens talking to me again, though.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:41 pm
I see. You think he was a day-kill shot.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:47 pm
That was my speculation, yes. I'm not as sure now that I did more research into it, but that it's all speculative anyway.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:49 pm
That is such a strange post. What is this research and how did it change your mind?In post 2044, Garruk Relentless wrote:That was my speculation, yes. I'm not as sure now that I did more research into it, but that it's all speculative anyway.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:14 pm
You can see my thought process throughout the past two pages. "research" I guess is a bit of a misnomer.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:24 pm
I had forgotten that post. Yeah, it's unconvincing.In post 1889, Cephrir wrote:Agar I literally made a post yesterday about why I thought ooba was town. It's not overwhelming or likely to convince anyone but myself, but there it is.
Still? Thor being town doesn't really change that for me, if anything people were resisting moving off him and onto Thor and kept trying to get the wagon going again. Whereas the SD wagon fled to all corners of the earth to get off him stat.
The folks who tried to fight the good fight with Ooba's wagon are, for the most part, town reads for me of varying levels of confidence. Quadz, PnJ, and Goat all eventually switched to Thor in the later hours, while Syr stayed on with me (although I would have likely regretfully switched to ensure a lynch had I not been at work).
Messiah's 2018 is just.. no.
Ooba continues to be scummy as all fuck, and no one does a thing about it.
Goat makes a good case here on Elle. Also, starting to wonder how off Thor's reads really were(n't).
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elleheathen
Ooba still needs the death but this is a good place for now.
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:04 pm
I know what it's like to be totally bogged down by too many games and too many real life responsibilities, and I never ever ever would have considered using them as an excuse as scum. I presume you have some statistical evidence that proves I'm wrong about this, yeah?In post 2031, Zdenek wrote: Oh dear lord.You're wrong.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
- Des
A lot of Messiah's thoughts seem really contrived.
What the fuck are you talking about? I am saying that a scum JOAT would not use his fruit N1. SD used his fruit N1. Ergo I think he's town.In post 2032, quadz08 wrote:You mean this?In post 2017, Messiah Complex wrote:@ Quadz et al: I already said that I would expect a scum JOAT to hang on to his fruit vend to at least pretend like he might try to use it to confirm himself as town, which is the only positive benefit of a fruit. Yelling at me and calling it "bad" because that's null and not townie without actually engaging my reasons for why I think what I think is pretty scummyI do not see why doing the thing that is the opposite of what you say town should do makes him town. Would you like to tell me again that your logic isn't bad?In post 1898, Messiah Complex wrote:@ Nautilius: I would expect a scum JOAT to at least pretend to want to hold on to the fruit for a chance to confirm himself as town later in the game. Sending it N1 is like a giant middle finger with an "I'M TOWN, ASSHOLE" banner attached.
@ Agar: sigh....what's "...no" about it?
- Des
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:05 pm
That's great, does she sound as perfectly frustrated-town as she did in her responses to Nautilius as both alignments also?In post 2033, Tierce wrote:She does it regardless of alignment.In post 2018, Messiah Complex wrote:Also, Amrun's "I can't believe you people think I'm scum because of a sitewide activity issue" was super town because I went through something extremely similar and I never ever would have considered saying it in a scum game. She probably knew it would look bad as she was giving the excuse and she didn't give a shit because she thought the suspicion on her really was that ridiculous--towntowntown.
- Des
- Des