Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[sangres]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

[sangres]

Sangres, do you guys have a read on metal sonic other than telling me to go look it up.

The neighborhood question needs a good, solid answer IMO.

[macmollie]

also sangres do you and danny share a neighborhood?

Why are you asking this?

cos I am wondering if that is why a third neighbourhood is even being talked about. it would clear up some wifom

[Aegor]

VOTE: MafiaSSK

Spoiler:

Supports FS wagon but never votes and questions a vote on it.

In all seriousness, I'm down for this Flandre wagon. So yeah.

Pieguyn, what's your reasoning for the Flandre vote?

Kaze remains a great lynch.

[sangres]

actually, changed my mind.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

This could nail the handwritten notes tell.

[mastin2]

*sigh*

This is going to be one of

those

games. The ones where I get apathetic, follow along, get reads, but am largely wrong, yet still get nightkilled all the same because I maintain

just

enough towncred to not be lynched, am JUST enough of a threat not to be kept around (rather, because the scum fear the me-that-could-be rather than the me-that-is), and yet I've sucked enough not to get protection. Ultimately meaning I give nothing useful to the town before my demise. I'll see what I can do to break that, but I just have that feeling that's what's going to happen. Sorry.

I get why you think its town, but. its. not. town.

Look at the

motivation

. There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no.

Passion

. The defense reads a little town, I'll give you that, but look at the big picture. What is Kagami doing that looks town other than that? The soft defense of Flandre, lumped in with other lurkers was scum plain and simple. Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way. That is what

I

would do if I were protecting a buddy subtly . It is manipulative scumplay and hraahhhh you have been manipulated. I'm here for you though Nacho to guide you to the light . Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum. It shows that where her attention is, is, well, forced. If it fit into the bigger picture of trying to find scum it would make sense, but. it. does. not. This is a desperation attempt to look town and it is not working. the vote on us is posturing, the wagon analysis was superficial. You are being manipulated by scum.

Daaaaaaaang, this is a good impression of me.

Scum mastin would have been lynched by now?

Nah. Scum-Mastin you lynch on Day Four. (I think that's actually the average lifespan of scum-me, actually.)

Ceph is a scum-lean

Ceph's been a scumread of mine, but that's faded. (Well...everything's faded 'cept for a few. ) I need to have a rethink, and analyze things again. I'm mostly a blank slate right now.

Varsoon was killed by someone who plays with him enough, or is observant of meta enough, that they knew he could never be mislynched by a competent town team.

Honestly, probably an SK, though.

Also, chances of a scum ninja?

Possible. I'm also considering that the scum flat-out nightkilled pie. (Everyone here already knows that *I* would. Not only for the bodyguard claim, but also because it's pie. Who I respect.) Sadly, it's only me considering it, because who else here even remotely has that same train of thought? Pie-kill N1 is a scuMastin modus operandi, but I'm thinking who else it could possible be an MO of.

[10] Kagami (Angry Frat Bros, Venmar, mastin2, Metal Sonic, Cephrir, Kazekirimaru, macmollie, pieguyn, Aegor, ActionDan)

Half-hearted analysis, but pie's town, Dan's town, and AFB is likely town. Venmar's a decently-solid townread. I had a townread on Aegor, but need to look back on that. Metal Sonic, Cephrir, and to some extent Kaze/mollie are figures of interest.

Vote: Kaze

.
But note the tags.

[sangres]

Mastin, how caught up are you?

[mastin2]

Mastin, how caught up are you?

Depends on your definition of 'caught up'.

Have read every post? Yes. (Okay, skimmed.)

Have my head in the mindset of the current game? Not so much.

[mastin2]

Have to say, though, I feel a little left out in general. No fancy role tying me to another player (as far as I know), and no neighborhood. (despite there being eight confirmed and potentially more players beyond that.) Like...I kinda get the impression that everything important happening this game is happening entirely without my knowledge.

[sangres]

:/

There is stuff going on that have riveted my attention, and I feel like you haven't really picked up on them.

It could be a vantage point thing. But goddamn I'd like your perspective on Metal Sonic's "three neighborhoods" comment, and on MafiaSSK's apparent lack of crumb on day 2 given he's saying he investigated me/Nacho on night 1. Cabd listed him as one of the players who targeted me/nacho on night 1 so the visit is not up for debate.

[Aegor]

Sangres, do you guys have a read on metal sonic other than telling me to go look it up.

The neighborhood question needs a good, solid answer IMO.

actually, changed my mind.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

This could nail the handwritten notes tell.

I am really not understanding this at all. Do you have any reason for suspecting MS beyond a potential third neighborhood slip? What about MS's answer was unsatisfactory?

[mastin2]

It could be a vantage point thing. But goddamn I'd like your perspective on Metal Sonic's "three neighborhoods" comment, and on MafiaSSK's apparent lack of crumb on day 2 given he's saying he investigated me/Nacho on night 1. Cabd listed him as one of the players who targeted me/nacho on night 1 so the visit is not up for debate.

I commented on both?

Like, I don't see SSK as scum in spite of the potentially-incriminating result, and I believe Cabd said that looking at SSK's iso made it plausible for him to be town with that result. Metal Sonic is in fact among my main suspicions, and I easily can vote there.

[sangres]

It could be a vantage point thing. But goddamn I'd like your perspective on Metal Sonic's "three neighborhoods" comment, and on MafiaSSK's apparent lack of crumb on day 2 given he's saying he investigated me/Nacho on night 1. Cabd listed him as one of the players who targeted me/nacho on night 1 so the visit is not up for debate.

I commented on both?

Like, I don't see SSK as scum in spite of the potentially-incriminating result, and I believe Cabd said that looking at SSK's iso made it plausible for him to be town with that result. Metal Sonic is in fact among my main suspicions, and I easily can vote there.

I'm not seeing it in your first post of this game day.

I'll look back at your day 2 posts.

SSK's explanation for his investigation of us feels off to me. Why us after how day 1 went down? And the lack of some sort of results crumb is very worrying.

If he comes back and shows how he crumbed whatever he learned about us I'll rethink.

But, he's fake claimed in a recent game or two (mini 1522 being a good example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34161) as scum and I'm not going to buy this easily.

Metal Sonic is gut. An extremely uneasy gut.

Do you have anyone as a potential SK?

[sangres]

Sangres, do you guys have a read on metal sonic other than telling me to go look it up.

The neighborhood question needs a good, solid answer IMO.

actually, changed my mind.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

This could nail the handwritten notes tell.

I am really not understanding this at all. Do you have any reason for suspecting MS beyond a potential third neighborhood slip? What about MS's answer was unsatisfactory?

Call it an intuitive leap.

[Kazekirimaru]

Blah.

Okay, so, as far as I'm concerned the lynch today is between Dan and SSK - the two unconfirmed who targeted sangres the other night

So, first off

Activate Code: Beta Epsilon Delta Omicron

I'd really like to know what this jazz was all about. As well as this comment:

goodbye forever MafiaSSK

[sangres]

Blah.

Okay, so, as far as I'm concerned the lynch today is between Dan and SSK - the two unconfirmed who targeted sangres the other night

So, first off

Activate Code: Beta Epsilon Delta Omicron

I'd really like to know what this jazz was all about. As well as this comment:

goodbye forever MafiaSSK

You're going to have to do something really, really wonderful to rehabilitate my read of you. </3

This isn't it.

[MafiaSSK]

It could be a vantage point thing. But goddamn I'd like your perspective on Metal Sonic's "three neighborhoods" comment, and on MafiaSSK's apparent lack of crumb on day 2 given he's saying he investigated me/Nacho on night 1. Cabd listed him as one of the players who targeted me/nacho on night 1 so the visit is not up for debate.

I commented on both?

Like, I don't see SSK as scum in spite of the potentially-incriminating result, and I believe Cabd said that looking at SSK's iso made it plausible for him to be town with that result. Metal Sonic is in fact among my main suspicions, and I easily can vote there.

I'm not seeing it in your first post of this game day.

I'll look back at your day 2 posts.

SSK's explanation for his investigation of us feels off to me. Why us after how day 1 went down? And the lack of some sort of results crumb is very worrying.

If he comes back and shows how he crumbed whatever he learned about us I'll rethink.

But, he's fake claimed in a recent game or two (mini 1522 being a good example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=34161) as scum and I'm not going to buy this easily.

Metal Sonic is gut. An extremely uneasy gut.

Do you have anyone as a potential SK?

Because I didn't pay attention after Day 1? Because ffery is always a good choice? Take your pick.
As for the crumbing, I nearly never crumb. Mostly because I suck at it.

[Cephrir]

SSK being town requires the nightkill to have disappeared some other way. Do we think there's another protective role, or a roleblocker or something? I feel like if it was a roleblock we'd know it by now.

I feel compelled to point out that the top of 2030 sounds like a very preemptive explanation of why you're still going to be alive on day umpteen.

Definitely would like some more insight on why we would lynch Metal Sonic today. I guess a possible neighborhood slip might have nailed Flandre, but that would require that there be three neighborhoods ALL of which contain a scum?

[Cephrir]

Blah.

Okay, so, as far as I'm concerned the lynch today is between Dan and SSK - the two unconfirmed who targeted sangres the other night

We are not lynching Dan today, or possibly ever.

[Kazekirimaru]

To be clear: I'm not scumreading Dan as of yet. I'm just trying to piece stuffs together.

As far as really, really wonderful things go - I'm fresh out. And I doubt I'll have more in stock anytime soon the way I'm feeling atm.

[sangres]

SSK being town requires the nightkill to have disappeared some other way. Do we think there's another protective role, or a roleblocker or something? I feel like if it was a roleblock we'd know it by now.

I feel compelled to point out that the top of 2030 sounds like a very preemptive explanation of why you're still going to be alive on day umpteen.

Definitely would like some more insight on why we would lynch Metal Sonic today. I guess a possible neighborhood slip might have nailed Flandre, but that would require that there be three neighborhoods ALL of which contain a scum?

Pieguy was 1-shot bulletproof as well as a bodyguard. How would that work if he bodyguarded the kill target?

[sangres]

Because I didn't pay attention after Day 1? Because ffery is always a good choice? Take your pick.
As for the crumbing, I nearly never crumb. Mostly because I suck at it.

I'm actually a terrible choice given how often I wind up the N1 kill. I fit the strong player not likely to be protected mold. Life expectancy goes up a little when hydraing with Nacho.

So if by some crazy chance you had been killed night 2 your investigation results would have died with you. How is that a good thing?

You didn't even mention us on day 2 IIRC.

[mastin2]

Do you have anyone as a potential SK?

Nope! Not a damn clue. Don't know, don't particularly care, either. The SK's clearly not someone who'd be wise to leash (both sources of kills have been tremendously anti-town), so they're basically an extra scumbag, just one without interactive tells. I'll scumhunt and maybe catch them, but I'm not going to discriminate and hunt specifically for them.

Okay, so, as far as I'm concerned the lynch today is between Dan and SSK - the two unconfirmed who targeted sangres the other night

VOTE: Kazekirimaru.
Not exactly sure how, but...SSK is town. Dan's obviously town, too. Kaze isn't.

SSK being town requires the nightkill to have disappeared some other way. Do we think there's another protective role, or a roleblocker or something? I feel like if it was a roleblock we'd know it by now.
Definitely would like some more insight on why we would lynch Metal Sonic today. I guess a possible neighborhood slip might have nailed Flandre, but that would require that there be three neighborhoods ALL of which contain a scum?

Yep, you're scum. (Metal Sonic is, too.)

I feel compelled to point out that the top of 2030 sounds like a very preemptive explanation of why you're still going to be alive on day umpteen.

Uh...it was quite explicitly the opposite?

[Cephrir]

SSK being town requires the nightkill to have disappeared some other way. Do we think there's another protective role, or a roleblocker or something? I feel like if it was a roleblock we'd know it by now.

I feel compelled to point out that the top of 2030 sounds like a very preemptive explanation of why you're still going to be alive on day umpteen.

Definitely would like some more insight on why we would lynch Metal Sonic today. I guess a possible neighborhood slip might have nailed Flandre, but that would require that there be three neighborhoods ALL of which contain a scum?

Pieguy was 1-shot bulletproof as well as a bodyguard. How would that work if he bodyguarded the kill target?

Fucked if I know, I suppose. He did turn up dead tonight though, which means he either protected the kill target this time (and his bulletproofness doesn't stop this), or saved correctly twice? Or was shot one/both of those times?

I wonder if we have any chance of getting that question answered.

[Kazekirimaru]

Not exactly sure how, but...SSK is town.

?