Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[Anatole Kuragin]

Our options are Reck + Myko or Farside + Flubber/Myko, imo. Those are the only combinations that make sense from my point of view.

nobody place any votes, obviously

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah what? I called you town yesterday, I'm not sure what you're talking about...

[mykonian]

Farside doesn't strike me as the type of player to NOT vote the person they were this sure about, regardless of whether they could throw the game if the player they suspected got quick lynched because of it.

In that light the post hammer vote should be mentioned. I don't get the point seen that she locked herself in half a page before that or so.

[mykonian]

Our options are Reck + Myko or Farside + Flubber/Myko, imo. Those are the only combinations that make sense from my point of view.

nobody place any votes, obviously

what's against farside-flubber?

[xRECKONERx]

Why flubber instead of myko, reck?

I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.

I've alluded to it but yeah, I feel like I'm being groomed as a mislynch. Look at the fucking dead players... vezok, Matt, and TSO ALL thought I was town (granted, vezok was my bad) and now any voice that had a strong town read on me is dead, leaving nothing but whispering masses of people who may-or-may-not have a scumread on me. It just stinks, and I can't think of any other reason why I'm still alive right now other than I look scummy enough to lynch, whereas there was no fucking way scum would ever be able to get Matt or TSO lynched.

I think Flubber is still a VI... but I think that VI-ness is what lead to him playing his cards too early today and showing that he wants to go after me.

Farside, I've had a scumread on all game. This isn't news, and nothing that has happened has assuaged me. I need to look at farside x Flubber interactions to see what I can gleam there, but the most damning evidence is still the way farside played around SSK's meta and conclusively found that his lurking was null, then tried to dump off the responsibility of that read onto me.

[mykonian]

no, me flubber. That's the one that's missing. Sorry. And reck-flubber.

As far as I know, nobody actually had meaningful interaction with flubber apart from csareo.

[xRECKONERx]

Stepping out to have a few smokes and play Smash Bros, but I'll do some light iso scanning on my phone while I'm outside. Won't be able to respond for about twenty minutes though.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Our options are Reck + Myko or Farside + Flubber/Myko, imo. Those are the only combinations that make sense from my point of view.

nobody place any votes, obviously

what's against farside-flubber?

it's possible

[Anatole Kuragin]

Yeah what? I called you town yesterday, I'm not sure what you're talking about...

sorry, again, I was directing that post to Myko if you missed my post on the last page

[xRECKONERx]

Before I step out, Anatole, can you give me a freeflow response to 2029? Just kind of type your thoughts as they come to you.

[mykonian]

It's bullshit that I'm under the radar. It says nothing, because obv it's just gut feeling, but it makes no sense at all here.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Why flubber instead of myko, reck?

I don't know. Like I said yesterday, myko has flown under the radar for me, and the few times he HAS popped up it hasn't been egregious. Flubber has pinged me as scum on and off and I've mostly written it off as just "Oh well he could just be a VI", but coming into today with a scumread on me (or, as he put it, a scumread on me and myko but slightly more on me) feels very disgusting.

I've alluded to it but yeah, I feel like I'm being groomed as a mislynch. Look at the fucking dead players... vezok, Matt, and TSO ALL thought I was town (granted, vezok was my bad) and now any voice that had a strong town read on me is dead, leaving nothing but whispering masses of people who may-or-may-not have a scumread on me. It just stinks, and I can't think of any other reason why I'm still alive right now other than I look scummy enough to lynch, whereas there was no fucking way scum would ever be able to get Matt or TSO lynched.

I think Flubber is still a VI... but I think that VI-ness is what lead to him playing his cards too early today and showing that he wants to go after me.

Farside, I've had a scumread on all game. This isn't news, and nothing that has happened has assuaged me. I need to look at farside x Flubber interactions to see what I can gleam there, but the most damning evidence is still the way farside played around SSK's meta and conclusively found that his lurking was null, then tried to dump off the responsibility of that read onto me.

Myko was under the radar for me too, until yesterday. probably didn't seem as weird to others but the way he had such a strong conviction all of a sudden that I was scum felt really unnatural. flubber hasn't pinged me as scum, but he is displaying weird behavior - lurking, asking questions without follow-up or caring about the response. I think I'll never be able to read that group though - flub, csar, etc. Flub did say yesterday he scumread you as well though, it didn't come out of nowhere today.

townies have good and bad reads - you're right that if scum are looking for an easy crew to mislynch or convince to mislynch they've got it right now

I'm not calling Flub VI. Seems apathetic, and plays in a style I find weird though. Most people would describe my play that way too - though I actually have been VI this game. I don't know if I'm going to make any progress if I dwell on Flubb, which is to his advantage if he is scum, but I just don't have a read and I don't think I will based on his current contributions.

Farside could be scum or VI, either is a definite possibility. It's hard to attribute a read to people's reads of SSK. I didn't give him a second thought just because there wasn't much to go on and he agreed with the mislynches I pushed. he fed my conf-bias, which I think I liked. I think some of the dead townies defended him too. Pretty sure Myko did as well.

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's bullshit that I'm under the radar. It says nothing, because obv it's just gut feeling, but it makes no sense at all here.

I don't remember a single position you took on anything of note between your push on csar or matt (can't remember which) day one and your sudden case against me yesterday.

[mykonian]

How. TSO was pissed off big time because of the time I was investing in pushing him, pre and post claim. Which indeed didn't look that good later, but screw that. And it was matt, csareo was a semi hidden townread from day one. Never really explained it. Apart from the hammer yesterday, never did anything about him.

And it's not as if I'm a smooth talker or anything. I'm a pretty blunt personality. I think I'd go so far as to say that nobody in my ms carreer has ever said I went under the radar.

So where the hell does that line even come from?

[Anatole Kuragin]

it comes from exactly what I said in my last post

[mykonian]

how can you not remember?

[Anatole Kuragin]

It's bullshit that I'm under the radar. It says nothing, because obv it's just gut feeling, but it makes no sense at all here.

I don't remember a single position you took on anything of note between your push on csar or matt (can't remember which) day one and your sudden case against me yesterday.

[Anatole Kuragin]

because they were not strong or consequential opinions

[xRECKONERx]

Myko was under the radar for me too, until yesterday. probably didn't seem as weird to others but the way he had such a strong conviction all of a sudden that I was scum felt really unnatural. flubber hasn't pinged me as scum, but he is displaying weird behavior - lurking, asking questions without follow-up or caring about the response. I think I'll never be able to read that group though - flub, csar, etc. Flub did say yesterday he scumread you as well though, it didn't come out of nowhere today.

townies have good and bad reads - you're right that if scum are looking for an easy crew to mislynch or convince to mislynch they've got it right now

I'm not calling Flub VI. Seems apathetic, and plays in a style I find weird though. Most people would describe my play that way too - though I actually have been VI this game. I don't know if I'm going to make any progress if I dwell on Flubb, which is to his advantage if he is scum, but I just don't have a read and I don't think I will based on his current contributions.

Farside could be scum or VI, either is a definite possibility. It's hard to attribute a read to people's reads of SSK. I didn't give him a second thought just because there wasn't much to go on and he agreed with the mislynches I pushed. he fed my conf-bias, which I think I liked. I think some of the dead townies defended him too. Pretty sure Myko did as well.

To be fair, I think my only memorable experiences with myko come from him calling me out as scum after replacing into a game, almost immediately. We've had OOC issues on the site as well, and while that's not really relevant, I think it could play into why he's been under my radar, because I don't want to get into some shitstorm in this game with him and have it drag out those buried OOC problems. At first, I was thinking him being under the radar is scummy, but I'm not so sure. I think farside has mostly been under the radar

to everyone else but me

.

Re: Flub scumreading me... yes, he said that yesterday, but my argument isn't that he's coming out with this out of nowhere. My argument is that I've been a targeted mislynch opportunity for awhile, as once Matt/TSO were gone, nobody was left to defend me as town. And here we are, with Flubber coming out of the gate saying he wants to lynch me. Flub, to my recollection, has yet to actually give a reason for wanting to lynch me, because he knows a case on me would get shut the fuck down... similar to how farside just kept up this vague scumread on me until I pushed her for a case, and then she couldn't really push it anymore and had to back down with, "Oh, I don't know if you're town but your points are valid". I guess this could just be scum setting it up for townFlubb to take their bait and go after me in LYLO, though... I'm not sure how to parse that fine line between "townie playing into scum's hand" and "scum playing along with scum strategy".

Also, I just realized... should we massclaim?

[Anatole Kuragin]

yeah massclaim

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm VT

[xRECKONERx]

I'm still drawing blanks on how myko is trying to get his reads. And he's probably going to scum read me for saying I'm drawing blanks. Like that's the kind of logic I feel like he's trying to push. I don't get it. I almost got it in the beginning of the game but now idk.

And?
Like this is pretty much just posting to post.

What is your view on let's say csa or tso? You have a view on them ?

Its posting to say that if myko keeps going after shallow reads this late in the day he's scum.

Csareo had a permanent VI read from me. I haven't seen him as town but from his play so far I honestly think that the day he gets a scum pm is the day he lurks so hard SSK ends up calling him out in it.

TSO is null/scum. Like normally, "saying this game sucks" or something to that effect as an excuse to half-ass your way through the game is a scum tell to me. But I kinda feel where he's coming from here. I don't see anything juicy to latch onto, and as MattP can tell you, I'm not quite the conversationalist to really put life into the game. Maybe he's the same way?

@TSO. Weird question. I can understand if you don't want to answer it. You go to a party of about 20-30 people, with only 3 of which you know. What do you think you would do in a situation like this?

This exchange between farside/Flubber reads as very weird to me. Farside pushed me like fucking crazy because she called my posting "fake fake fake", whereas here when Flubber posts fluff reads/content, it's apparently just "posting to post" and she wants to sit down and have a cup of tea and go into his reads in depth and give him a chance to explain himself. It's bullshit.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm VT

same

[xRECKONERx]

TSO isn't scum and that lynch isn't happening. 14 hrs left; it needs to stay between Espresso and me (preferably Espresso though )

Why?
I may have missed it, but I don't recall why you think esp is scum.

Lurk and fluff. I'm lurking too but I'm not fluffing. And he's trying to push a lynch on Csaero like he's actually scum.

Farside never responds to this.

IN FACT, she posts FIVE times on the same page immediately after this post and never responds to it... which is especially weird, because here, Flubber is saying, "I'm not posting fluff," but in 624, farside implies that Flubber IS posting fluff content. But when he posts this shit, she just ignores it and moves onto something else. Her actions and external behavior are not consistent with her implied internal reads and thoughts.

[xRECKONERx]

farside attacks TSO, TSO calls her town and won't lynch her. That's EXACTLY how I respond to cases on me when I'm scum.

Nope. No WIFOM here.

Flubber passively defends my attack on farside and hand-waves it away as WIFOM.

Why can't I get any reads in this game I fucking suck oh well ate wheee.

I don't understand the scum read on vez. He's lurking like the rest of the game.

Csaero is town dammit. Stop going for the easy lynch scum. VOTE: AK

Every time I ISO farside I lose a fetus's stem cells worth of brain cells. And it's not her fault this game just makes me dumb.

A real read on farside? Nope, just a joke about losing brain cells from her posts. Similar to how farside lamented SSK's lurking but never actually read him as scum for it.

Okay I agree with Farside's case on Reck but still don't get her case on AK.

Farside your main case on AK is that he's scumreading people he's not voting for, right?

That was in regards to reck.

Pretty much opportunistic today for whom he'd vote for. No new reason why he's voting csa.
Day 2 was him agreeing with csa, now calling csa scum again, reasons are because?
In short his reads/reasoning is not fluid and shows no thought process to whom is scum.
If you want links to his games where he shows forward thinking, let me know.

So the italicized is directed as to what AK has done and has nothing to do with Reck. So I made a whoopsie and have no idea if Farside even has a case on Reck now.

But Reck is still scum.

HERE'S THE FUCKING KICKER!

Farside absolutely LOST IT on me when I mistook myko's case on TSO for a case on Matt... but when Flubber mistakes farside's case on myko for a case on me... NOTHING! Flubber actually in this post admits she doesn't have a fucking case on me but still says "oh Reck is scum anyway" and farside doesn't raise a fucking PEEP ABOUT IT! It's LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME SITUATION.