Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Oxy]

oooh an unvote from skitter - that's interesting.

Sup, skitter? You've been hinting at dropping your vote for a while. What made it happen?

I know I'm going wrong somewhere but idk where exactly. I don't know if ofrhz is the scummiest person right now.

Also I think you may have just towntold in a way that's more meaningful to me than math's argument, which means I have to like start from scratch.

Also I've been on phone between class all day and I really need to read the last few pages consecutively in a bloc before I can figure out what I think about them (ie when I get home in a few hours)

Okay. I legit don't see my town tell this time, but whatevs. I'll be around this evening.

[ofrhz]

I get pulled into a meeting, come back, and skitter unvotes and is now possibly townreading Oxy.

-mr Krabs.jpg-

Oxy, Are you scumreading me now? Should I respond to your ISO or would that be too much back and forth?

[Scioness Sajj]

about ofrhz iso

I agree with a alo of your points.

still ofrhz and ruru for me more likely than ofrhz/other people

[Scioness Sajj]

ofrhz defended ruru with his townieness

ruru defended ofrhz by pointing finger at other people, me and nsg idk if there was somebody else.

[Scioness Sajj]

why can't people defend other people becuase they found them town?

[Scioness Sajj]

I guess pintu could have parked his vote on ofrhz if he thought that the lynch was about to happen BUT he had no reason to start townreading me since wagon on me has been there longer

skitter/ofrhz makes more sense with her unvote but it's skitter. her progression also makes sense

[Scioness Sajj]

oxy what's your read on ofrhz right now?

[ruru]

Where did the ruru scum read go? This is after he forgot why he was town reading ruru and then voted her for pushing skitter. Last mention of ruru was in 755 and heavily implied he still scum read her

Oh, I thought 755 meant he decided I was town by PoE. Also like some of his original reasons for voting me were based on inaccurate history (see 718) so I feel like it's not unexpected for him to scumread me less after my responses. The history mistake is actually one of the things that make me think he's less likely to be scum. Like you're scum and trying to fabricate a case on someone... do you start by forgetting the order things happened in and then just posting it? I'm sure there's a counterargument that he's lazy scum but I feel like lurking or making intentionally vague posts about gut reads would be more indicative of lazy scum than that kind of mistake.

893: Are you... scumreading a post for being LAMISTy?

1097 &c.: I guess these are a bit weird, but I think he was reacting to the NK at first. I think it would be a lot more weird if his first vote was on anyone other than SS.

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1172: He did correct the 1033 link here:

I linked the wrong post. I meant 978. Her 1033 was what made me more sure of ruru

I often confuse post numbers when searching for posts (like I'm sure something was post 555 but when I go look at 555 it was actually some random post) so I didn't read much into this at the time. But yeah I guess it could be an indicator that the story was made up on the spot.

1202: Yeah this one is interesting. Suppose ofrhz is scum and this is a slip, is the thinking that this implicates one of dino's townreads then?

Ofrhz unvotes ruru in 778 because he wants town to focus on something, but he doesn't vote anywhere again until voting ruru again in 1023. If Ofrhz wanted to organize town efforts, why let his vote sit idle?

According to 895 he stopped scumreading me sometime after unvoting and I guess I just don't have a hard time believing that a town player is unsure about the game state on D1.

1234: I see why people are scumreading this but I kinda feel like it's the kind of post that makes someone who speaks their mind without filtering it (and this is consistent with ofrhz in general) an easy mislynch rather than the kind of post scum would actually make. I don't know how else to describe it.

Overall, I'm pretty unconvinced on scum!ofrhz right now. About his voting patterns on me, I had a lot of questions too earlier D2 but I found his explanations pretty believable.

[Scioness Sajj]

ofrhz defended ruru with his townieness

ruru defended ofrhz by pointing finger at other people, me and nsg idk if there was somebody else.

like neither of them actually tried to show other players why they think they other is townie. it was just:

1). you think I'm town so I tell you you shouldn't scumread this player
2). i think this player is town look at all those summier people

[ruru]

I never dismissed Oxy?

You're definitely dismissing me lately at the very least

That poeple have weak arguments that I'm scum

Okay case in point, recently you were happy to point out your favorite points I brought up against you but you showed no interest in actually addressing them. Which is like just spamming the thread but not actually advancing the game...

This is especially relevant because of the possibility of ofrhz getting hammered without you having to address them

[ruru]

Well I guess maybe less so now

[Oxy]

@ofrhz You are solidly in my lynch pool for today, so I don't really want to coach you?

And I don't really know if I'm someone you want to be coached by?

But imo, if you are town, you should be rebut whatever can be concisely and decisively refuted

and spend the rest of your effort figuring out who is scum, and clearly making a case for why they are scum.

^always the best defense, and always the hardest for scum to do well.

893: Are you... scumreading a post for being LAMISTy?

that would be ironic, lol

but, no.

I'm saying that this feels hyper self-aware:

He's voting me and asking for people to post townie posts of mine

I feel like I need to defend myself, but would defending myself just make me look more guilty?

I better not do that, but I can't just leave this vote unanswered

Better confidently assert that people find me townie.

[Oxy]

eh, actually yeah i guess it kinda sorta is LAMIST LOL

[Scioness Sajj]

that's true I have been extremly not interested in debunking your case

you know what's also spamming and not advancing the game? writing down comments on iso that amount to nothing, shading, taking posts out of context and spedning so much time over it that you basically didn't do anything else d2.

why do I have to address them?

[Scioness Sajj]

this day phase I have seen I think four posts coming from you, ruru that you have just took out of context and HMMMM SCUMMY

like the best example being that bloc of posts I have been quoting about my reasoning for lynching drixx and cosnidering skitter lynch.

[Scioness Sajj]

and that HEAVY misrepping with no lynch/mathdino/drixx and my hammer.

like to say those things you would actually have to forget everything that has happend and in what order. or just not read it.

I guess it is somewhat good idea for scum to push my hammer like that, but it is not even in the thread.

[Oxy]

I missed that clarification on read through. Everyone screws up post numbers, and both of the posts were large walls by skitter, so I could see getting them confused when searching for a post.

If you give him the benefit of the doubt, it looks... reasonable

1172: He did correct the 1033 link here:
In post 1173, ofrhz wrote:
I linked the wrong post. I meant 978. Her 1033 was what made me more sure of ruru

This is the part on ruru from 978:

-> ruru I'm kinda conflicted on and like kinda gutscumread her - she feels like reserved kinda? Like out of the main swing of things? Like she doesn't really know how to interact with the thread almost? She has a certain awkwardness to her that I kinda scumread. That being said I do like some of her posts individually and I do like her thought process sometimes.

I guess since he saw you being reserved as scummy at that moment, this would solidify his scum read. Okay, fair.

[Oxy]

1202: Yeah this one is interesting. Suppose ofrhz is scum and this is a slip, is the thinking that this implicates one of dino's townreads then?

If this is a slip, I think it indicates that Dino's reads were spot on. Why point town towards your partner?

That said, this is something you fight about for a week after a red flip.

[Oxy]

this day phase I have seen I think four posts coming from you, ruru that you have just took out of context and HMMMM SCUMMY

like the best example being that bloc of posts I have been quoting about my reasoning for lynching drixx and cosnidering skitter lynch.

This is quite the accusation. Quotes please.

[Scioness Sajj]

also your reaction to my first case amounted to you trying to belittle everything I have said, you had pretty strong reaction to everything I have said mostly discrediting but still you even called me confused town or confused scum

which in itself is a weird statement. confused town or confused scum.

you have repeatedly said that my case was weak and YET you have tried to put blame on my for that wagon that happened last minute D1 on you.

your brand new case of me consistent of a lot of things that are yet again either HMMM SCUMMY or didn't happened.

[Scioness Sajj]

you want a quote of ruru saying hmm scummy and you explaning my posts there?

[Scioness Sajj]

She didn't seriously consider no-lynching instead of hammering Drixx, even though Dino was in the thread at the time, nor did she wait for Drixx to claim

Dino was in the thread that's true. Drixx also refused to claim and both drixx and skitter and to so extent Dino were pro lynch.

1383 - post is self explorantary, yet ruru defends herself from things that she was never accused of.

I mean Mathdino, who seems to know some things about mechanics, and mentioned no-lynching, was right there reading the thread at the time (also recommending not to hammer Drixx until deadline) and you could have talked it over with him, right?

If you're scum, doing some weird delayed announcement of your vote even though you already decided it only increases town's disorganization. If you're scum with skitter, it actually makes perfect sense that you wouldn't want to be involved in skitter vs. Drixx until you realized Drixx wouldn't get lynched without your help.

Wow this misreping.
Nothing was delayed. I have announced it earlier so people would know what I had in mind. My case was posted before Mathdino replaced in and wagons started forming.
I think I have also mentioned somewhere that I didn't want to answer to your engage on my case because I believed my case was enough I didn't want to distract people with 1v1 because I knew I would be unavailable and we were too close to the deadline.

How is it a "distraction" if you actually think I'm scum? How is it worse for other people to have extra time to evaluate a case that you already decided to post, even if you're going to be AFK?

she called my case on her disorganasing, and my case was posted before Dino even replaced in. didn't adress any of that just focused on my use of word 'distraction'. like I don't even know what she is trying to say here. that I am scum becuase I have made my mind about my vote on her and was unavaiable for the majority of next day?

[Scioness Sajj]

I think I can look for more

[Scioness Sajj]

If you have something to say then say it, don't rely on people picking up your 'clues'. Posting things like that you are just creating noise.


I think my meaning was clear. Why are you so upset about it?

No clue why she tries to narrate my post as me being upset but yeah, that's the thing also.

[Scioness Sajj]

we can lynch skitter, we don't know if we will be able to lynch anybody else because of claims

Oh, actually just noticed this now. This post has a weird mindset to me.

If you try to lynch someone you think is scum, and you expect them to have to fake claim, then that should be good, right? It's only a problem if you are trying to lynch town.

remember her argument later that I hammered Drixx without waiting for claim? yeah me, too.