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In post 608, Alduskkel wrote:I think Pooky's initial case held some weight but the way that he approached the argument reeks of bad faith + he's dodging explaining his coalition reads.

In post 506, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm bored of this already

you're using the 1000 questions defense in which you ignore the attack and just distract with a bunch of random questions until the thread of the argument is lost and the post count is too long for anyone else to follow.

I'm going to stop engaging with you as it's obviously pointless at this time.

Like this is basically a misrepresentation (the questions aren't random) and is setting up a situation where Koba even asking questions is "scummy." Then at the end Pooky frames his attempt to shut down the conversation as pro-town.

VOTE: Pooky

In post 653, Alduskkel wrote:you SAID you explained it when you put it together and I just showed you didn't

In post 659, Alduskkel wrote:

In post 20, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

In post 21, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:let's win this first day boys

get it done

In post 22, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie



let's do it

In post 24, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:DC pretty susp

a real townie would've said yes

In post 27, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 13, bugspray wrote:what

why did you stop playing chess with me ??

In post 29, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think there are 2 high-ev methods to play day 1.

1) we figure out 5 definite townies, throw em in the coalition - win the game.

2) we throw the 5 worst players in the coalition - if they're scum we will kick their asses in the real game cuz they're bad.

In post 31, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:nah

In post 35, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh that's nice

let's try to get the coalition right then

In post 36, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 34, votato wrote:we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.

50% of my mafia play is making bad plans and seeing who figures out they are terrible.

Votato a real G here

In post 40, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh snap I just realized we have exactly 5 lovers from the other game here together

it's like a reunion.

Let's do it guys

HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL

The Real G who almost got there

HEAL: BUGSPRAY

My Chess Playing Time Traveling Lover

HEAL: TUXEDO MASK

The fool blinded by love

HEAL: VOTATO

The Bad Man who killed us all

HEAL: POOKY

One Teddy Bear to Save the Day

In post 64, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm ready for DC's solve

Take me to Money Town

In post 66, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

In post 67, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags

None of these explain your damn coalition. At best you can say you explained Deimos's place, but that was a read you made on the first page.

In post 660, Alduskkel wrote:like seriously he's straight up lying at this point

In post 1627, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

vote Clover

get him tommorrow for me pls thx. look at his iso its basically contentless.

good luck i tried my best


go town.

In post 1647, Alduskkel wrote:Oh okay

Then 1627 just seems like a LAMIST sort of post then.

In post 1653, Alduskkel wrote:Pooky's posts a couple pages back where he's making a case against Clover reads more like he just came up with that stuff recently. If he had all those points in his head for a while he would have mentioned it earlier, he's only doing it now because he needs Clover to be lynched instead of him.

In post 1732, Alduskkel wrote:Pooky took a bad faith approach to arguing with Koba.
Pooky literally lied about explaining his coalition.
Pooky moved goalposts to try to win his argument with Koba and me.
Pooky supposedly scumread Clover for a while but only recently brought up a lot of points against him. Points that he could have mentioned much earlier, but didn't because the truth is that he came up with a scumread on Clover out of convenience and then tacked on the reasons later to make it look good.

VOTE POOKY.

In post 976, Klick wrote:Pooky doesn't like what DK is doing, but I'm not convinced he actually scumreads DK.
'they didn't respond to my case so they're scum' is not moving. Either Pooky himself is being stubborn in demanding a proper response, or he's scum because he doesn't particularly care about being right.

In post 1006, SleeperSoul wrote:This game is a LOOONG read and I took breaks to sort my thoughts along the way.

In post 501, DkKoba wrote:

In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 496, DkKoba wrote:Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.

that's not what I said

ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.

In post 503, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 501, DkKoba wrote:ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.

I did explain it, you should read my posts

There were a lot more posts from pooky that pinged me as scummy as I was rereading, but I think these are some of the most illustrative. I don't believe pooky actually explained it that well, I don't buy that town!pooky can't see koba's points on their approach to the game. I think pooky is too smart for that even though he's very good at playing dumb.

In post 494, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you called my case full of holes like swiss cheese and you already exposed a gaping one. I'm still waiting for it.

Acknowledging here that his case has "one gaping hole" in it, but then ignoring it? That seems scummy. "You said 'swiss cheese', therefor you must give me multiple holes, one GAPING one is not enough"

In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 496, DkKoba wrote:Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.

that's not what I said

Okay if it's not what you said, then make corrections instead of just stating this. It sure seems like that's what you said. Because it sounds like that's what you said here.

In post 334, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I'd put Koba at 50% scum

he's either trying desperately to fight his way onto the coalition because he knows we are about to win easily.

or

he's a misguided townie who wants to make a splash but fell flat on his face

Shortly after this ^^^ he posts the following:

In post 508, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You don't want to have an honest discussion, you are scum trying to obfuscate by spamming a crapload of random things and making me re-state myself over and over so that anyone reading this thread loses focus and doesn't even know what we're talking about at the end of this if they even read to the end of this.

as this is a total waste of time I will no longer be engaging with your spot in the game. I consider you scum, I will not vote for you to be on my coalition. If you somehow seize control and get yourself coalition'ed and we get to the lynch phase my vote will automatically be on you.

Good day

Pooky seems too adamant that koba is scum without backing it up all that much (koba's behaviour can be explained by being stubborn town IMO, pooky should see this?), and he's unwilling to adequately defend his coalition. Seems scummy to me.

In post 990, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 975, Klick wrote:Aldus summaries my thoughts on the argument better than I could

-cut-

But instead of answering my case - he obfuscates by angrily spamming the thread with question after question on my behavior instead - this is a very typical whataboutism/1000 question defense.

-cut-

Now if you guys believe that behavior is protown- then by all means put kona in your coalition and leave me out - it's fine. Just a game and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you all that something obviously scummy is scummy.

Why aren't you willing to consider that koba's anti-town play could be coming from a townie? Isn't that how people are saying their previous games went?

In post 993, DkKoba wrote:I'm honestly not even bothered to interact with pooky anymore because they ARE tunneling and I already sorted their slot so there's 0 point in it since i have nothing to gain but wasted words they can think I'm scum all they want because in case they haven't noticed the conversation has moved on and I've already said my piece.

I'd rather have Pooky in the coalition over anyone but you klick as your slot and pooky's slots are the only 2 i'm sure of (yours because of votato )

koba I don't understand how you can be sure that pooky is town because to me, based on what I posted above, he seems scummy.

HURT: all

HEAL: SleeperSoul
HEAL: Deimos
HEAL: Klick
HEAL: koba

as far as I can tell I'm just adding koba to my previous coalition but I cleared it first to make sure.

In post 1609, Klick wrote:I think Pooky is working from a starting point of 'Clover can't be townread' and is making his argument from that perspective.

There is a plausible reason for him to be doing that as town. But I find it more likely that he's scum who needs Clover available as a mis-execute.

In post 1737, Klick wrote:Pooky posted a lot of content and played self-sacrifice to peel people off his wagon. If he was town he'd have done it post-hammer.

In post 1175, DonCorleone wrote:Either heal me or towncase clover @koba

In post 1185, DonCorleone wrote:Klick swap me for clover

In post 1264, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh i didnt even know the deadline was for day 1 - thought it was just for coalition picking oops

HEAL: clover

In post 1265, DonCorleone wrote:HURT: DC
HEAL: clover

In post 1402, Klick wrote:

In post 1367, Alduskkel wrote:

In post 1357, Klick wrote:Pooky's entrance to today strikes me as really town.

Explain.

@Clover: Why did you put Pooky in your coalition?

Also, I'm not voting outside the coalition today. I'm not convinced Koba is scum though.

Sorry, just remembered you said this

Something about his hands-off approach feels distinctly like a town way of approaching a post-coalition fail. He's got this one-track mind and seems set on thinking Wug of all people is the play rn. But it's different from how Koba's doing it in that there doesn't seem to be any clear agenda to Pooky's actions other than solving (whereas from what I'm seeing Koba is setting up like five different things with what they're doing and is kinda just open-wolfing at this point).

In post 1571, Klick wrote:VOTE: Pooky
Your scumread on Clover feels fake.

We have less than a day. I'll be leaving my vote here unless this doesn't take off and there's a viable Sleeper wagon.