In post 2003, Noraa wrote:Mush,
1) why is pooky scum(you weren't that clear especially with all the remembering wrong stuff
2) if pooky is scum, who would he hand the scroll too?
for number 2, keep in mind that if pooky is scum, I'm basically conftown cuz scum never pushes partners that hard day 1. This means that scum!Pooky knows LLD is tunneling me hard which is exactly why I dont think scum!Pooky ever hands the scroll to LLD. Cuz as long as LLD is alive, LLD is gonna push me and that is one more free lim for the scums.
Quoting from laziness. Today was huge.
Pooky's one half gut read, one half noticing patterns of behavior.
Pooky takes pressure-free scumreads and reacts terribly to them... I tend to find I have to press town players to get reactions from them usually, I can stand off to one side and sort of talk around Pooky and get a guaranteed burst of anger, usually without any attempts to correct. When Pooky DOES correct me, they're noticeably /even more/ angry. General feeling is suggesting to me that Pooky's scum that doesn't like being scumread for "wrong" reasons. Similar to how I felt when you got angry about my scumread in our prior game -- like, this is way more anger than this statement and amount of investment and pressure deserves. When they can correct me, they do it with malice, like they're getting back for all the times they couldn't. This is sort of gutready, but its a definite pattern I'm noticing.
Pooky also does, as I said before, this "whispering in the ear" thing. Doing it to Bell was not necessarily the case though I believe an element of that remains. LLD is the big one, of course. But there's something I've noticed -- since my mistake with reading the Pooky+Bell interaction as that, Pooky hasn't done any intense 1-on-1 back and forth with anyone whereas before that it was the bulk of their ISO. That's not AI per se, but I don't know why a townie who plays that way stops when I press that button, which I feel tips it over into AI. (If it had continued, I might have wavered on this read somewhat, but I can't say how much.)
As for who to pass it to?
I think you're mistaken.
Pooky wanted to be second in line. Watch this: Tayl0r->Pooky->LLD. What does that do to you? Well, it looks bad. Looks like scum Pooky saving you from your biggest detractor -- easy to pull the town onto your wagon there. Better yet, watch THIS as if you're scum: Tayl0r->Pooky->MUSHSHAGANA. Whoa! Suddenly no brakes on your train right -- looks like scum angling for a miselim, right? And you get off the hook as easy miselim bait that shouldn't be taken, if you're scum. Presuming a less subtlety-aware player list, scum might do that second one with you as town since worse town players wouldn't catch themselves necessarily.
Why me for the second one? Simple: Your loudest two defenders are Tayl0r and me. I'm not actually putting any effort in but I restate my read of you often. With Tayl0r out I'm the biggest threat to a Noraa wagon. (Note: more likely I would expect that either world would kill someone unrelated to your wagon -- probably a middle-of-the-reads player with some garbo thoughts on the game, to attempt to send the town down that rabbit hole. But for the above, I wanted to focus on your wagon/defenders to show you how you're misreading what Pooky asked for as making a scum-Pooky-hits-LLD world impossible. It's far from it, it's just first order misdirection.)
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:03 pm
by Gloria Cleary
In post 2022, MURDERCAT wrote:I haven't played with scum Noraa but I've meta dived her a few times
Just went through her scum games and found a few posts that I think show her range. She is noticably more emotional this game to be fair, but I think Noraa is self aware enough to know that is a town trait of hers.
I chose these three because I think they show things I've seen from her this game: self-meta, discussion of her being upset about being a miselim (down to the phrasing: "going to be salty"), and high effort walls.
This has been extremely informative. These game just increase my confidence in Noraa!town if anything. No where near the emotional range we’re seeing here and no lengthy nuanced detailed readlists in ANY of those games.
Conclusion: Noraa is either town or totally switched up her meta for this game. If there’s an very consistent overriding scumtell especially for newbs, it’s this one: making detailed and nuanced reads is extremely difficult for scum to do but she did that here.
@Noraa could you link some of your towngames, especially any posts where you made detailed readslists? That would be super helpful.
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:08 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Mush still busy writing his conspiracy theory fanfiction about me. Lemme know when you want to talk reality.
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:10 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I realize I wrote the wrong pronoun above. I am sorry about that Mush - I will get this right in the future.
In post 1480, Bell wrote:I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.
....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.
tryhard taylor = scum-taylor
town taylor is a lurker who posts shitty dog pictures
In post 1488, UNOwen wrote:How many games have you played with town Taylor?
1 completed?
can't talk about ongoing
@Pooky, can you explain how you’re the Tayl0r meta expert after playing only one completed game with her? And now that I’ve in essence busted up your Noraa case, what does that do to your Tayl0r read?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:18 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I have played more than 1 game with Taylor - her flip will speak for itself.
You haven't busted my noraa case
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:26 pm
by Gloria Cleary
In post 185, Noraa wrote:Taylor plays exactly like this as town. Hold up let me go find the link.
In post 186, Noraa wrote:I think Taylor has gotten more confident and comfortable with doing whatever since this game but regardless, you can still see it in here:
In post 1480, Bell wrote:I don't agree that I was throwing shade at him. I was genuinely curious. I know that hopkirk generally knows what towncred is and how to get it and his switch in posting style is designed to get it.
....@Pooky confession: I don't think I can read taylor. But she seems to be try harding which is new and exciting to me.
tryhard taylor = scum-taylor
town taylor is a lurker who posts shitty dog pictures
In post 1488, UNOwen wrote:How many games have you played with town Taylor?
1 completed?
can't talk about ongoing
@Pooky, can you explain how you’re the Tayl0r meta expert after playing only one completed game with her? And now that I’ve in essence busted up your Noraa case, what does that do to your Tayl0r read?
i cant talk about ongoing maybe u should search her topics yourself?
So you have absolutely no clue as to what Tayl0r’s scum meta even is, so how do you think you remotely qualify for the role of Tayl0r meta expert?
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:39 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 2039, Gloria Cleary wrote:So you have absolutely no clue as to what Tayl0r’s scum meta even is, so how do you think you remotely qualify for the role of Tayl0r meta expert?
I am not allowed to talk about ongoing games because of site rules.
i cant talk about ongoing maybe u should search her topics yourself?
Honestly, you should never ever even make this kind of suggestion.:/. Regardless of my read on you, I think you should never post such a thing in any game ever again.
In post 2039, Gloria Cleary wrote:So you have absolutely no clue as to what Tayl0r’s scum meta even is, so how do you think you remotely qualify for the role of Tayl0r meta expert?
I am not allowed to talk about ongoing games because of site rules.
This is seriously sketch, you should not even go there.
In post 2039, Gloria Cleary wrote:So you have absolutely no clue as to what Tayl0r’s scum meta even is, so how do you think you remotely qualify for the role of Tayl0r meta expert?
I am not allowed to talk about ongoing games because of site rules.
This is seriously sketch, you should not even go there.
At any rate, without a single COMPLETED Tayl0r scum!game to back it up, you cannot claim to be any kind of expert on Tayl0r scum meta.
You’re insisting you know Tayl0r scum meta but all you can offer is what? If you claim to know Tayl0r scum meta, you need at least one COMPLETED scumgame to back up your Tayl0r META scumread.
And since I disagree with your read on Noraa and it makes absolutely no sense for scum!Tayl0r to go out on a limb like this for town!Noraa or are you going to argue that as well?
In post 2039, Gloria Cleary wrote:So you have absolutely no clue as to what Tayl0r’s scum meta even is, so how do you think you remotely qualify for the role of Tayl0r meta expert?
I am not allowed to talk about ongoing games because of site rules.
This is seriously sketch, you should not even go there.
At any rate, without a single COMPLETED Tayl0r scum!game to back it up, you cannot claim to be any kind of expert on Tayl0r scum meta.
Because you are sticking to knowing how scum!Tayl0r plays when you have no meta worth discussing about it. You have neither commented on my Noraa case and are digging in your heals on Tayl0r without any reason that makes any sense.
Why aren’t you reconsidering either your Noraa/Tayl0r reads?