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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:26 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 2017, Flea The Magician wrote:I have put in other efforts around the mech work. the questions Yin hasn't answered has been around 1 or 2 players.
I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.
My sus list is every player that has been in a response from yin, and number of times they've been asked about, which is for my own methods. The grouplist is the one to worry about.
Like I said from the start, we could've coordinated questions to try and work this out, but nooooooooooo fleas a funkiller.
I don't really scumread Tanner, and i think that's a slot that tends to get N1'ed or N2'ed in so many games if town that they'll just get automatically caught as scum before then.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:39 am
by Tanner
why would i have? it was always easily possible that (1) being a criminal doesn't correlate with alignment and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying - i don't think anyone ever believed that we could just *ask* who the scum is. all my question did was confirm to me that at least one of those is the case (assuming it's not the 4 town vs 9 scum theory). like, why should i be making a big deal out of learning that this weird shady game mechanic is indeed weird and shady?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:42 am
by Flea The Magician
In post 2026, Tanner wrote:
why would i have? it was always easily possible that (1) being a criminal doesn't correlate with alignment and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying - i don't think anyone ever believed that we could just *ask* who the scum is. all my question did was confirm to me that at least one of those is the case (assuming it's not the 4 town vs 9 scum theory). like, why should i be making a big deal out of learning that this weird shady game mechanic is indeed weird and shady?
So what DID you learn from your question?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:43 am
by Tanner
(1) being a criminal doesn't mean someone is scum, and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:47 am
by Flea The Magician
And you didn't think to follow that up to determine a result?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:55 am
by Tanner
sorry, not sure what you're trying to ask me?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:05 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
why would tanner follow up with yin if he doesn't think yin is necessarily telling the truth to begin with?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:48 am
by Flea The Magician
Two options presented themselves,
Either the definition of criminal needs to be checked, or Yins truthfullness needs to be checked.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:53 am
by Tanner
In post 1880, Tanner wrote:i thought about trying to get yin to contradict himself somewhere to see if it's (3), but since it's obviously too close to end of day, that's gonna have to wait.
i mean, i said that i want to try to get yin to contradict himself to see if we can determine that he sometimes lies, but the day will be over before he posts again. not sure what you'd be expecting of me to do here.
and sure, someone can ask if being a criminal mean being scum (i know that it doesn't, but you don't have to take my word for it) - though we objectively can't know if he'd be truthful about that, and again, there is no time.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:07 am
by Flea The Magician
"In the context of this game, what are the traits that make someone a criminal?
"Can there be town-aligned criminals in this game?"
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:28 am
by Morning Tweet
in yin yang 2077, what makes someone a criminal?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:29 am
by Morning Tweet
and with Flea voting Tanner there is officially some kind of conspiracy surrounding the wagons
Not necessarily lots of scum. But....... what is going on
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:34 am
by Morning Tweet
In post 1998, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.
i legitimately cannot be convinced that there isnt something up with Ircher this game and him being town aligned makes almost no sense
Also, laughed at Chara's comment on it lol
I'm fine with Infy dying though. Let's see what happens
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:37 am
by Morning Tweet
In post 1958, Ydrasse wrote:90%
i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town
if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny
yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:41 am
by Morning Tweet
Dang infy hasn't posted at all today? ;C
Its possible that the pressure on her was a factor in her difficulty getting into the game. I have seen her withstand early pressure often in the past of course, but nyah. Its probably more scummy than not yeah
I cannot wait to see what happens next
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:41 am
by Ydrasse
In post 2038, Morning Tweet wrote: In post 1958, Ydrasse wrote:90%
i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town
if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny
yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?
i don’t see town infinity doing this and i especially don’t see her logging onto mafiascum going “today i will not look at this game where i am suspected and a potential wagon without intervening” as the votes hop on like it’s absolutely no damage control which like, im thinking of it in terms of /scummy/ moreso than unique to infinity; the meta that i have is just a small benefit to her behavior at large
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:42 am
by Ydrasse
idk man maybe i’m assuming way too much but given she was online i would have expected even a “i’m really sorry guys” or SOMETHING
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:42 am
by Ydrasse
but like even if she showed up to do that now it’s too late in my eyes
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:44 am
by clidd
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:44 am
by Tanner
if i may chime in on the meta, in a recent game (mini normal 2201 i think?) there was a similar deadline wagon situation, where infinity's wagon was competing with someone else's, and she was very present and even openly said she's trying to townspew to prove herself town. so i don't know if it's some kind of weird motivation loss this game, but it's definitely not the town!infinity i've seen before.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:49 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
what if its a team of jesters
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:50 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
that would be lulz
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:52 am
by clidd
Not impossible ^
But it's probably something else.
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:52 am
by Ydrasse
Hectic would not be seen again
Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:59 am
by clidd
Hey Ydrasse.
