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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:44 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 2024, Dwlee99 wrote:If bus driver and roleblock then either the 3p role is a combined roleblocker bus driver (not the case) or two people would have visited Kyo, not one. So there wasn't any bus driving.
If Mara got targeted by bus driver then it'd fuck up a TvT interaction because I only see who visited Kyo, not who visited the people that visited Kyo
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:45 am
by Dwlee99
But bus driver visits both targets to bus them I thought.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:47 am
by Dragon of the West
But in that scenario, neither of them are guaranteed to be scum...but then you know the bus driver couldn't have made redtea see the fruit vendor
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:48 am
by Dragon of the West
They could have visited mara and someone different who is scum, makes mara look scum, then I see mara as the not real alignment, meaning Kyo could be town and the alignment of their visitor not match
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:55 am
by Dwlee99
Oh hm I wasn't thinking you visited each person that visited, just that the action worked on them.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:56 am
by Dwlee99
Okay rampaging as a modifier works reflexively, not directly. So you perform it on the person visiting regardless of them being bus driven. It's like if I visit PGO and I get bus driven I still die to PGO, not the person I got swapped with.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:57 am
by Dwlee99
My theory rn is Marashu targeted Kyo and roleblocked her.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:04 am
by Dragon of the West
Do you think the bus driver played into the Redtea v Nero or do you think Redtea is lying or do you it didn't interfere and Redtea caught Nero
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:11 am
by Dwlee99
That one is much too difficult to figure out.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:12 am
by Dwlee99
If we are lucky Kyo flips bus driver serial killer or something.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:18 am
by Dragon of the West
And if Kyo flips town what is your plan?
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:23 am
by Dragon of the West
In post 2030, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay rampaging as a modifier works reflexively, not directly. So you perform it on the person visiting regardless of them being bus driven. It's like if I visit PGO and I get bus driven I still die to PGO, not the person I got swapped with.
It tells me if the alignment of the visitor matches the alignment of my target. If Mara got targeted by bus driver and the other bus driver's target was scum, Mara would appear to be scum-aligned. If Kyo is town and Mara got swapped with a scum-alignment, I'm pretty sure I'd get the result I got: the visitor has a different alignment than my target. That would be a very convoluted thing to happen, but it's not impossible
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:32 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 2008, Nero Cain wrote:guy has a result that either you or the person that targeted you is scum. Has nothing to do with your claim.
Oh well I'm town so I know I was roleblocked by scum or 3p which means either Gamma is scum or another scum rolled roleblocker, because Marashu didnt have a way to commute. He couldn't have been asceticized either because he got NKed
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:33 am
by Dragon of the West
Mara's roleblock would go through before he got killed
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:35 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 2022, Dragon of the West wrote: In post 2015, Dwlee99 wrote:Well Gamma's role is 4-shot and RMH claimed no modifiers.
Oh hm maybe Kyo is a better vote cause the roleblock could have been Marashu?
I think the bus driver messiness means it makes sense to go Gamma first
Pedit: if we flip Gamma and he's town then Kyo is scum unless bus driver got her N2
It's possible bus driver could have swapped RMH with someone else since they would expect Gamma to block RMH. In essence it would be as though the 3p is a roleblocker for the night if they know where Gamma I'd aiming and I didnt think that through tbh
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:36 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
What I'm saying is I was definitely blocked, Marashu was not asceticized.
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:38 am
by Gamma Emerald
But how would bus driver interact with rampaging parity cop?
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:38 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
In post 2000, Dragon of the West wrote:I'm town Rampaging Parity cop. I targeted Kyo both nights. N1 she got no visitors. N2 she had one visitor visible to me, and that visitor had a different alignment than Kyo. Kyo is claiming she was roleblocked. Obviously if that's a lie, she's scum. If that visitor was Mara, then Kyo is scum because Mara flipped town. If that visitor was Gamma, then gamma is scum because they're the only other roleblocker and they're lying about targeting RMH.
The possibility of a bus driver muddies things, but I think it's most likely that Gamma is scum and lied about being a bus driver. Even if there's a bus driver, we effectively have 2 1v1s. Redtea vs Nero and Gamma vs Kyo and the bus driver couldn't have swapped people in a way that makes both of these 1v1s TvT. I think flipping Gamma is the correct first move because that will help us confirm the existence of a bus driver. If they flip town, then I think it's most likely Kyo is scum.
But I also think Gamma & Nero make the most sense as remaining scum partners
You know with certainty I was only visited once right? You confirmed that if a non-ninja also.visited me you would have received 2 results?
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:39 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
Because if so, it means no bus driver targeted me, which means gamma is scum fmpov
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:39 am
by Dragon of the West
Would have had to been swapped with you for you to get roleblocked from it. But I would have seen multiple visitors so that's not the case
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:43 am
by Dragon of the West
Let me ask for clarification. Per my role PM, when I target a player, I will learn if their alignment matches that of each of their visitors. But I'm now realizing that it might just mean I'll find out if all visitors share alignment or if not all do...it might not give individual results
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:45 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
Unless one of their modifiers is Ninja, in which case there could have been shenanigans that will take some thinking to figure out.
Tbh, it sounds like there is no bus driver to me and scum are just Gamma and one of redtea/Nero. If Gamma is town and there is a bus driver then either redtea is scum or the driver swapped Nero. If the driver swapped Nero with me and nobody else targeted Nero it would mean the rampaging PC just sees redtea target Nero and we know their alignments don't match. I dont think theres a driver. I do have a concern though, about Cyrus CCing Cakez earlier. He felt that Cakez could not be a parity cop, with certainty
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:46 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
Did cyrus know there were only 2 parity cops in game and did he know both were on his scumteam? Is food for thought
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:46 am
by ssbm_Kyouko
I have a concert, prolly wont post again til morning
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:47 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2036, Dragon of the West wrote: In post 2030, Dwlee99 wrote:Okay rampaging as a modifier works reflexively, not directly. So you perform it on the person visiting regardless of them being bus driven. It's like if I visit PGO and I get bus driven I still die to PGO, not the person I got swapped with.
It tells me if the alignment of the visitor matches the alignment of my target.
If Mara got targeted by bus driver and the other bus driver's target was scum, Mara would appear to be scum-aligned.
If Kyo is town and Mara got swapped with a scum-alignment, I'm pretty sure I'd get the result I got: the visitor has a different alignment than my target. That would be a very convoluted thing to happen, but it's not impossible
Bolded is false. The rampaging modifier acts reflexively, which I don't believe can be swapped.
Rampaging is a role modifier that causes all other players visiting the action's target to also be indirectly affected.
Anyone indirectly affected by the Rampage has been effectively Reflexively targeted for the purpose of action resolution.