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Thor, why don't you want to reveal your main? I doubt many people would remember you or know who you are, so it wouldn't mean anything to most people.

Two more: PenguinPower and the worst.
Also, have CSF and Bee been townreads for you for a large part of the game?

This has nothing to do with you being 'defensive', it's part of me figuring out what utility you derived from engagements (apart from convincing people of something, we can get to that later).

Scum. Unsure. Yes.

Question for you to ponder. Is the important part to you "deriving utility" from engagements, or the attempt to do so in the first place?

If this whole interaction has been your roundabout way of asking me my reads, there are more straightforward ways to go about that.

MM, what are your reads?

In post 2011, Miss Midnight wrote:Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

Also I have some thoughts regarding Thor and they’re funny ones but he shouldn’t have to out his alt.

In post 2027, Miss Midnight wrote: Question for you to ponder. Is the important part to you "deriving utility" from engagements, or the attempt to do so in the first place?

Usually you can figure why someone thought their attempt was one worth making.

Last interactions: Penguin says there's no such thing as "evidence" on D1. You argue that there's a lot more readable content providing far more value than a flip. Penguin argues that behaviour can influence feelings and actions, but only revealed truth is evidence. You mention you just seem to use it in different ways and end the conversation.

Is your scumread on Penguin largely based off this interaction?

In post 1992, Miss Midnight wrote:To be clear, I actually do think it could be possible that Thor is scum and also made that mistake. I just disagree that it's not a mistake, or was made intentionally to townslip.

Here's my problem with Thor's "townslip". It violates what we were asked to confirm. We were asked to pick an individual role, not a side. Therefore, I struggle to believe someone who planned his plan for a day didn't even double check this assertion.

If he had double checked his assertion, then his assertion would have made the draft cop a second role cop. They wouldn't need separate names.

Secondly, his theory puts us bo closer to winning. Let's suppose everyone follows his plan. Great, we have no separate clears from as if we didn't.

However, we could get lost in setup spec and give PR slips all over the place.

VOTE: Thor

In post 2025, Something_Smart wrote:Thor, why don't you want to reveal your main? I doubt many people would remember you or know who you are, so it wouldn't mean anything to most people.

As much as I think Thor is scum, it's his right to play on sn alt. As long as he doesn't use meta, it's pretty fair.

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ManateeGal [6]:

Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst, Flea The Magician, PenguinPower

Miss Midnight [2]:

House, Auro

Flea The Magician [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Miss Midnight

Enchant [1]:

ManateeGal

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

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I hate the ManateeGal wagon ftr. My money is on Thor and Flea scum.

In post 2030, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 2011, Miss Midnight wrote:Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

To be clear, my problem with you isn't that you don't seem to be people to get reads, my problem with you is that it doesn't seem like you have any reads at all, nor are you making any effort to do so. It seems to me like you've basically said yourself that this is the case? What with the whole "day ones are useless" and such.

In post 2032, Auro wrote:Last interactions: Penguin says there's no such thing as "evidence" on D1. You argue that there's a lot more readable content providing far more value than a flip. Penguin argues that behaviour can influence feelings and actions, but only revealed truth is evidence. You mention you just seem to use it in different ways and end the conversation.

Is your scumread on Penguin largely based off this interaction?

No. My scumread on Penguin came before that interaction. I do think that he is using that mostly as an excuse though, and so take it as mildly scum indicative, but it's not largely based off that interaction.

In post 2036, Titus wrote:I hate the ManateeGal wagon ftr. My money is on Thor and Flea scum.

You lost money in that case.

If you said OR, then maybe.

Like I said. I think that 1 day 22 hours on the clock is really not the best time to be pressure wagoning someone. Also, this is another "level zero" thought similar to what I said about Flea and Enchant, but I think that the lack of any real counterwagon movement to Manatee is weak evidence that scum don't have any problem with the current state of affairs. It's possible Manatee is being bussed, but I think that's like the third possible world I would be considering here. (That's not just an expression, it really is the third.)

In post 2037, Miss Midnight wrote:

In post 2030, PenguinPower wrote:

In post 2011, Miss Midnight wrote:Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

To be clear, my problem with you isn't that you don't seem to be

engaging

people to get reads, my problem with you is that it doesn't seem like you have any reads at all, nor are you making any effort to do so. It seems to me like you've basically said yourself that this is the case? What with the whole "day ones are useless" and such.

So, your problem with me is admittedly a playstyle issue which goes back to my comment about you wanting people to fit into your mold.

To be clear - which if you were reading with actual intent to understand you would have understood - I have reads, but I have no strong reads. It's day 1 and there's nothing to form a strong opinion off. There are people I wouldn't wagon or vote out today! There are also lots of people that I would!

Another random note for the record, I also think that Titus has a decent shot at being scum. I am simply not going to elaborate any more on this read right now other than "I disvibe her posting votes and scumreads."

In post 2040, Miss Midnight wrote:It's possible Manatee is being bussed

With an inactive scum buddy that's not unlikely!

I think there's more utility in doing in on a later day. But like I said, it's possible. At the moment think it's more likely not the case though.

In post 2041, PenguinPower wrote:So, your problem with me is admittedly a playstyle issue which goes back to my comment about you wanting people to fit into your mold.

To be clear - which if you were reading with actual intent to understand you would have understood - I have reads, but I have no strong reads. It's day 1 and there's nothing to form a strong opinion off. There are people I wouldn't wagon or vote out today! There are also lots of people that I would!

You keep saying that I try to "fit people in my mold". I'm not sure if you think that it works to discredit what I'm saying or what. Maybe it does. But I think it's pretty clear that that isn't the case, like I talked about earlier when it comes to my reads on S_S, Manatee (and also maybe Enchant) and as I recall you mostly just brushed off.

You say you have reads but no strong reads. Okay. That isn't what this is about to me. To me, this is about a lack of demonstrable evidence for that first claim, that you have reads, even if they're not strong ones. As I said earlier, with the way that you engage people on various topics I would expect some of that style of engagement to also happen on the subject of some reads you have, or even just one. But I don't see that pattern of behavior in your play so far.

Again - you are expecting my play to fit into what you view as town play. You are specifically stating that. What you expect is not how I play and can be seen if you actually gave a fuck.

I'm pretty done with you. Bye bye.

Sads here PP. Lots of sads.

MM, PP is town.

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