In post 2012, Titus wrote:I think Datisi is the best flip for the gamestate right now.
why.
Because it answers a lot about the motivations for yesterday.
I could also go with fire or Val flips.
i am asking you to spell it out. what EXACTLY does it answer. if i flip red. if i flip green.
i can sense that i'm a possible misyeet, especially if i'm right on kitty being scum, so i'm not letting people get it with reasoning as vague and meaningless as "best for gamestate".
My VCA doesn't give exact names yet. Too early. I postulated some partners you might have in the post. Second, why are you concerned with what happens if you flip red if it should never be a possibility?
All my notes say is scum preferred you to live over mastina. It could be possible, although unlikely, she had a decent pool so she was limmed rather than nightkilled.
One early VCA never solves the game but it is a place to start.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:37 am
by Alisae
In post 1968, Datisi wrote:okay i'm gonna out some of my vague gamestate feels and y'all can yell at me for being stupid if you want
first things first, i feel like alisae and kittytacky are likely to be s/t, in some direction. i feel kittytacky is strongly scum, and i wanna murder there. if he does flip scum, i don't think alisae-scum treats their buddy like that.
however, if kittytacky is to flip town, then uh. alisae's play this game starts to 2/2 fit into the mold of what i expect them to do as scum. their early d1 play didn't give me the feeling of [doing business] that i'd expect from scumlisae, and i can maybe excuse the mastina flip, but 2 wrong flips (pushed in the manner i'd expect from scum-them) is going to be a problem.
my less clear thoughts:
- if kitty is scum, i feel that mastina's wagon was mostly town-led. because like, idk i feel like scum would want to keep mastina around, because it was very clear mastina is going to be a lot of noise, and i kind of don't think kitty/norwee are s/s (though i'd double check on that; mostly talking from memory here) so mastina being alive would've been a great distraction. and she's claimed to be a not powerful role in the hood, and nonzero chance there's a mole in that hood, so.
- if kitty is town, i feel like alisae is a very likely scum candidate. especially since... well i really think bear is town, and the fact that alisae keeps positioning themself to push bear in the near future, it does not give me good vibes. like, lowkey i'm wondering if i'm getting pocketed by alisae shitting on bear's push on me. not sure if i have any thoughts further than that in this universe, i think i had some sorta idea of mastina's wagon being scum-led in this universe, but i don't remember why anymore.
i guess, even if kitty did flip scum, i would have to reread kitty/alisae anyway, because (assuming mastina didn't straight up lie about alisae's meta), a history of strong uses could potentially be an issue, but... this is a problem for another day.
- why can’t I be town with the stances I have? What’s the expectations u have of me in ur head?
- why is being wrong twice suddenly suddenly mean I am a wolf? Seems like the kind of unrealistic expectations I would hold someone like raybells to.
- I don’t know the bear player why do u think he is not capable of what he has done as scum? If ur town help me see it because u clearly are seeing it and I’m just not.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:38 am
by Datisi
In post 2025, Titus wrote:My VCA doesn't give exact names yet. Too early. I postulated some partners you might have in the post. Second, why are you concerned with what happens if you flip red if it should never be a possibility?
All my notes say is scum preferred you to live over mastina. It could be possible, although unlikely, she had a decent pool so she was limmed rather than nightkilled.
i'm "concerned" because if you don't give a coherent answer to what happens when i flip red, then i know you're full of shit
how do you know that it's exactly ME that scum were defending, and not norwee or marashu or kitty or t3 or whoever else was a wagon at any point in day 1. why is it me that is the best flip here?
mastina had me as locktown, never reeval. so if you wanna postulate she had a "decent pool", keep that in mind.
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:42 am
by fireisredsir
In post 2015, Alisae wrote:I really don’t care about the meta of some troll if that’s how u sort them good for u.
Other people can do whatever the fuck they want, I just think that engaging with the slot to me is a waste of posts. I mean I think the guy posts like an open wolf npc but I mean maybe more people need more time to reach that conclusion? I’m just saying why I’m not engaging with it, and you shouldn’t either it’s not worth ur posts.
i don't think they're actually a troll, they just often get eliminated. and there's a difference between saying that you're not going to engage with the posts anymore and encouraging other people not to. that's the part i don't really get. i get it in situations where the person is like spamming or just being a nuisance or whatever, but i don't really feel like that applies here?
idk maybe im just sensitive to the sentiment he gave of getting discouraged by feeling like people are ignoring him when he tries to get more engaged, so then seeing you basically telling everyone to ignore him is like... feels like targeted towards shutting down any chance of him showing himself as town if he is
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:45 am
by Cephrir
the idea that scum pushed mastina through because she was on target is kind of laughable. i don't think that is something scum frequently do unless they're a very competent team that's not worried about the lim themselves. FA much more likely to have been on target as they have 100% control there
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 7:47 am
by Datisi
In post 2026, Alisae wrote:- why can’t I be town with the stances I have? What’s the expectations u have of me in ur head?
- why is being wrong twice suddenly suddenly mean I am a wolf? Seems like the kind of unrealistic expectations I would hold someone like raybells to.
- I don’t know the bear player why do u think he is not capable of what he has done as scum? If ur town help me see it because u clearly are seeing it and I’m just not.
it's not that you "can't" be town with those stances, i don't understand how town-you works and makes reads and i don't pretend to. it's just that, if kitty flips green, (and i'm preflipping bear green in my head), this game starts to dangerously look like what i would expect scum-alisae to be doing -- i.e. not beating around the bush with side stuff, doing exactly what their team needs done, straightforward pushing misyeets, etc
it wouldn't be wrong twice, it would be wrong three times >_> and i agree it's a harsh standard, but your push on mastina already gave me goosebumps d1 which i did call out, and it's mostly a vibe where i don't feel any sort of... hesitation? remorse? much reevaluation? like i expect scum-you to be going for the throat one after the other and that's kinda what i'm seeing if kitty flips green, so... and i don't think i've noticed any "i don't think scum-alisae would be doing this" moments, at least not with the flips we currently have
If he is getting discouraged and is town then maybe he should learn play better. Maybe use his brain to think, not rely on other people engaging you (because no one gives a fuck about the fact no one is engaging you even if u are asking for it, it’s on you to engage. This isn’t pre-school where we are holding each other’s hands to walk across the street), have his own reads, less defending himself, and more hunting. Maybe he wouldn’t be in this position then? Like he uses the fact he has to defend himself as an excuse? I hate it lol
I’ve seen no reason to engage with the wolf and others will come to the conclusion as well.
In post 2025, Titus wrote:My VCA doesn't give exact names yet. Too early. I postulated some partners you might have in the post. Second, why are you concerned with what happens if you flip red if it should never be a possibility?
All my notes say is scum preferred you to live over mastina. It could be possible, although unlikely, she had a decent pool so she was limmed rather than nightkilled.
i'm "concerned" because if you don't give a coherent answer to what happens when i flip red, then i know you're full of shit
how do you know that it's exactly ME that scum were defending, and not norwee or marashu or kitty or t3 or whoever else was a wagon at any point in day 1. why is it me that is the best flip here?
mastina had me as locktown, never reeval. so if you wanna postulate she had a "decent pool", keep that in mind.
I don't know exactly that they were saving you. It's my best guess based on the motion of the wagons. Your wagon looked to be particularly consistent and the best guess based on how the votes peeled off.
I didn't see a T3 wagon but Alisae linked one in the chat. That might change my mind.
In post 2026, Alisae wrote:- why can’t I be town with the stances I have? What’s the expectations u have of me in ur head?
- why is being wrong twice suddenly suddenly mean I am a wolf? Seems like the kind of unrealistic expectations I would hold someone like raybells to.
- I don’t know the bear player why do u think he is not capable of what he has done as scum? If ur town help me see it because u clearly are seeing it and I’m just not.
it's not that you "can't" be town with those stances, i don't understand how town-you works and makes reads and i don't pretend to. it's just that, if kitty flips green, (and i'm preflipping bear green in my head), this game starts to dangerously look like what i would expect scum-alisae to be doing -- i.e. not beating around the bush with side stuff, doing exactly what their team needs done, straightforward pushing misyeets, etc
it wouldn't be wrong twice, it would be wrong three times >_> and i agree it's a harsh standard, but your push on mastina already gave me goosebumps d1 which i did call out, and it's mostly a vibe where i don't feel any sort of... hesitation? remorse? much reevaluation? like i expect scum-you to be going for the throat one after the other and that's kinda what i'm seeing if kitty flips green, so... and i don't think i've noticed any "i don't think scum-alisae would be doing this" moments, at least not with the flips we currently have
and i can't answer that without alt outing
how can u say this is my scumgame if u don’t know how my town game functions?
Why would I be hesitant about mastina? Why would I show remorse or reevaluation? What mastina post would cause me to think these things? I’ve said so many times I think mastina was the best flip in the game, and as town I look at the bigger picture, like what Norwee is trying to do, I remove myself from the game and form reads based on the things I see happen in the game.
Out the alt.
knowing who alt are and choosing not to out them is extremely toxic and removes the point of secret alting in the first place. You have an unfavorable advantage over me.
We can’t talk about the read anyways if you don’t and it’s something I would like to do…
Like why does most of the playerlist get to know who the person is but not me who came back from my self ban?
How is that fair at all :/
dont have an answer to the linked post other than vibes id have to reread to have a guess
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:07 am
by Cephrir
t3's iso is pretty dire
VOTE: T3
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:08 am
by Cephrir
i say that mainly because it consists mostly of promises to catch up which never result in anything
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:09 am
by Alisae
VOTE: t3
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 8:12 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2018, Charloux wrote:Ah i can see how you misunderstood because i phrased it poorly. We were talking about scum being among leaders and i said it's unlikely because we can't protect the promoted people then gave a plausible theory pp came up with which can justify there being scum among leaders.
Didn't have the intention to state it as a fact, sorry.
