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In post 2048, notscience wrote:Allow me to sum it up for you.

Dead QT of Syry's game, I get called a shit player.

In the mafia QT, I reference the needing a win.

Bert, you aren't consistently off like me. You don't get consistently voted for bullshit reasons, you don't get the lylo fuckups I've had.

In post 2047, Bert wrote:OK reads list please notscience

in order

I answered questions of yours and I am still answering yours

mine is:

Wisdom scum


SCUM
Wisdom (confscum to me)
notscience
ffery
Sakura (conftown)
TOWN

and say why too please, if you want to start being helpful, now's the time

In post 2053, fferyllt wrote:This sounds like sincere demotivation.

I don't think demotivation is alignment indicative, though. :/

I'm a sucker for sincerity.

In post 2059, Bert wrote:Ffery and sakura I guess since there's paranoia about me

try to get me to type things that are harder to talk about, harder to emulate

harder for me to just type up if I'm scum

if that helps any

And Wisdom as town is probably no better than Cabd at reading me (heck Cabd keeps a notebook), so Wisdom being so sure about me in LYLO was a huge red flag - it was like a barrage of attacks and so I get so sure about him being scum and then I vote him, that's what happened

Even Nacho has trouble reading me, so Wisdom with that conviction when I have been quite transparent (including freakouts that heck brought IRL in which never happens)

that boggles me, I expect some paranoia, not just going from Bert's likely scum to BERT'S SCUM!

In post 2066, fferyllt wrote:tbh I'm worried I underestimate you.

In post 2068, Sakura Hana wrote:My scumread on notscience is dissapearing and that's giving me a headache because then it means ffery would be scum with Wisdom =/

In post 881, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

Analysis of ffery's meta

Town 1) BSG Mafia

Called passive by orcinus who says that she is less engaged with the game. Immediately put under pressure for most of the game with other players guessing that passiveness is caused due to being pressured. Posts lead up to suspicion on buldermar. In the end, voted buldermar while asking Orcinus who to lynch. Asks to be lynched that day rather than the following day since she is worried about buldermar setting her up to be an awesome townie and then FOSsing her next DP for not lynching scum day 1. As time goes on, starts to read Buldermar as town (despite the fact that he was scum). What is notable here is that she is already planning for the next day as to what will happen if she is lynched. She is also called extremely scummy for not fighting her lynch but this just seems to be the way she rolls. Her post 620 also tries to get town thinking about what will happen after she is lynched much as she is doing in this game.

Town 2) Newbie 1389

As IC. Gets accused of being defensive when she responds to an accusation to another player that giving townreads is scummy. Supports her meta style with links. Asks probing question about why a player feels that another is scum and comments a little when they provide their reasoning. When asked what her reads were, says that the person asking her is possible scum but that she needs more time to figure it out and that she could be rusty. Has a little uncertainty, likely because it is beginning of the game and reads haven’t developed yet. When a newbie prods her, she says “I am done waiting for reads” and starts posting ISOs. Does 3 ISOs and then votes her biggest scumread. Reads are not very well developed and there is no mention of trajectories. Explains how Bauss’s stance went from indirect to direct and that is what caused the change in her read. When Lynx votes for a player, ffery wants to chat with Lynx about that player and starts discussing reads. Parallels with her asking Mutt to talk to her. But in this game, her analysis is very detailed. With Mutt, not so much.

Town 3) Newbie 1364

Reads MsMarangal as scum for a “pretty bad looking” argument on dissonance. Asks very specific questions, says that she missed Nick’s lie. Gives her opinions about a case that nickthename made on Broseidon and says that MsMarangal was buddying him and not the other way around. Continues to FOS the same person that she had initially called scum. Disagrees with Marangal calling the progression of her scumreads’s posts “excellent.” The tone is slightly different and she is less wishy-washy. Uses strong words like “this is gold” or “left the case in shreds.” Also says that “these analyses look pretty damn town-motivated.” Shows a lot more conviction and less wishy-washyness. Continues asking very specific questions to a few players. Questions to MsMarangal are extremely detailed, specific, and probing. Is tonally very firm “I have no idea what your case on Nick was.” Does ISO’s on several players. Keeps pushing the lynch on MsM. Isn’t very uncertain or wishy-washy. Is reasonably certain of affiliation. Is suspicious of flexibility where the player unvotes and says he needs to do a re-read since scum want to be flexible to allow the town to chose a direction. 419 shows more specificity. Pro-actively scumhunts. Does a lot more than what was required of her. Picks up on too many dots and less connections when a player distinctly states that he forgot something and then explicitly mentions going after Nacho.
Note that the tediously exhaustive ISOs are not something she does as town. This could very well be a null tell.
A great tell: said she found conflict scummy. So, this is a null tell. However, the response to conflict was to do tons and tons of ISOs. A stark contrast from her scumgame where she merely states that she was confused and demands more cases from the town while being quite vague.
478 shows a lot of willingness to look for evidence. Wonders whether Chris invented those categories on the fly. Once she verifies it, she mentions that at least Dodgy was a technical term in Chris’s lexicon.

This is one game that undermines my townread because ffery in this game is nothing like what she was in that game. However, as a caveat, note that she seemed to be particularly hard-working and willing to dig into multiple ISOs in that game so it is a rather high standard to which to hold her now.

Scum 1) The popcorn mafia

Play is slightly different because she didn’t replace in but none of her initial posts had any content whatsoever. Says that she is bored and wants to gun. There is the general tendency to sit back and not be pro-active. 297 has a lot of very weak reads. No conviction in any of them. Posts very little content and is mostly very unsure. Barely ever justifies any of her reads. Never mentions anything about trajectory or anything else.

Scum 2) Newbie 1403

Mentions that the player who was lynched Day1 wanted to scrutinize a few others, asks how this is going. Provides reads: "

Zebe looked townish. KBW terrible but lynchbait, proceed with caution. TheGargantula is an improvement over predecessor but did notice something that was an amished tell.

" Says that she found the game contentious and that she found some of the cases difficult to follow. Notes in her wiki that town had some serious confirmation bias. Asks each person to lay out their cases against each other and against her scumpartner (thor). Asks Thor to lay out his case as well. Scum motive: let the town fight amongst themselves. In 604, attacks KBW asking “so you are discounting that huge towntell made earlier.” The tone of the post is accusatory since it assumes that the towntell existed and was huge and asked whether KBW discounted it. Mentions that she is bothered by Valius which is a really weak scumread. Switches reads and says that she wants to lynch between Valius, Zebe, and Thor. Valius was the leading wagon. Zebe read was switched from the initial weak non-reason. Thor is her buddy. Weird that she wants to lynch Thor despite Thor and Valius going hard against each other. Asks for links to games to substantiate a claim. Discusses with Thor as to where to place her votes.

- Says “

Gah. So many contradictory stances in this game

.” Wants to stay back and allow town to lynch themselves. Does not want to take part in the conflict when it doesn’t concern her. Does not hesitate in throwing out scumteam pairs. Says she has to rethink everything.
- Tries to keep her head out of the major conflicts.
- Had weak reads that she switched over (Mutt read here parallels Zebe read in that game) but only a little since she elaborates on Mutt read a little.

Scum 3) Newbie 1319

In 232, she does her first ISO as scum. The first thing to note that it wasn’t very detailed and doesn’t really dig into the motivations of players. At least, it is nowhere near as detailed as her multiple ISOs tracking down trajectories of other players. Keeps a reads list detailing all of her reads. Won't say too much more about this since it is apparently not her usual playstyle.

General Notes

1) When she doesn’t understand a case, she tries to deconstruct it and question further as town. However, as scum, tries to stay on the sidelines and pick a case while fanning the flames. In this game, she definitely has attacked Jason upon replacing in and defended JKLM. As scum, I'd expect her to ask one of them to re-iterate their cases, ask clarification questions and as deadline approaches, settle for a lynch. However, she pretty much strong-armed the direction of the day phase and presented her reads very strongly. This aligns with her town meta much more than scum.
2) Has an incredible amount of attention to detail and is very specific about digging to the bottom of a player’s motivation. - This concerned me a little since she wasn't really paying attention to detail. But it is not enough to outweigh my townread.
3) Seems to be more sure and convicted as town but the game where she got lynched is evidence that this isn't a surefire tell and she can also be unsure and wishy-washy as town.

Thought process in this game:
Came in, thought bestwillcui was scummy with Jason a second scumread. A reread of bestwillcui’s ISO made her think he was town with Jason being scum. As she reads through Jason’s ISO, the read strengthened and she comments on every post that Jason has made. Townreads Muttley for not voting Jason since given ffery’s current stance, it ensures that Jason gets lynched today. Bert thinks Jason is town first. This point is important is another reason that undermines my townread. But overall, I won't lynch ffery today if I can help it and it is at all possible to convince any of you guys to lynch somebody else.