Left 4 Dead Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Thor665]

I know you're troubled that I've nailed your entire team but you're just going to have to settle for NKing me Pidgey.

How does Pidgey look scummy? I *really* don't see it.

[Majiffy]

Incompatible reads re: myself and Vezok. Plus his read of me in general, which started as OMGUS and continues as... OMGUS.

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.18

[1]

Majiffy:

Pidgey

[0] LeMidget:

[2]

Sekai No Ki:

Bulbazak, Thor665

[1]

SweatingChessBall3:

SweatingChessBall3

[1]

PeregrineV:

dopog

[9]

RedCoyote:

Zdenek, Svenskt Stal, AngryPidgeon, GuyInFreezer, PeregrineV, Vezokpiraka, Mastin2, Aegor, BBMolla

[5]

Mastin2:

Nero Cain, Majiffy, ActionDan, Rubicon, RedCoyote

[1]

Alpazard:

LeMidget

[0] Aegor:

[0] GuyInFreezer:

[0] Bulbazak:

[0] Thor665:

[0] Svenskt Stål:

[0] Rubicon:

[1]

ActionDan:

Alpazard

[0] Vezokpiraka:

[0] BBMolla:

[0] Pidgey:

[0] AngryPidgeon:

[0] Dopog:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Zdenek:

Not Voting (1):

• sekai no ki

Deadline:

• Monday, March 10th, 2014

Mod Notes:

• With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.
  
• Nero Cain should now shortly be off
  V/LA

Deadline is in two days!

[pidgey]

Incompatible reads re: myself and Vezok. Plus his read of me in general, which started as OMGUS and continues as... OMGUS.

[Majiffy]

The fuck

[Rubicon]

Thor, thoughts on what I say about mastin in 2004?

[Rubicon]

1. Yes, I agree you have attempted to step up your presence as I have made noise about you on the death list.

Exactly. Why do you want me dead, then?

2. I think they move slow while being clogged with pages and pages very quickly - I don't think this comes as a shock to anyone, I knew when i signed up that it was going to happen.

So did I. That's why you sharing time management advice as though you know something about our lives is fucking irritating.

3. I don't see what this has to do with anything, but yes, i agree with you that players will be more helpful late game than early game. I said this already. Oddly though, some players are able to "do anything at all" during early game too - they rarely end up on Vig lists. Pretty odd, I know.

The point is that vig lists are usually for players who are either scum, or for the kind of policy lynch-type player who is useless / can't be read later / is a liability? And not, you know, for ruining the game for good town players just because they didn't meet Thor's lofty standards for Day 1 content.

Also: I'm very confused by the above quote because I thought we were talking about my couple of prod dodges and falling behind on the thread for about six days. I think even with the prod dodges, I actually have done a lot of stuff, significantly more than I usually manage to on D1 in a large theme.

I mean, if you want me to just post without reading when RL gets in the way, and fill the thread with "content", I can do that for you. Does seem a little hypocritical considering the first line of your 980, though.

[Rubicon]

And the argument "but I'll eventually become useful at some indeterminant point in the future" just begs the question "then why aren't you being useful right now"

Like you, you're going to catch up? Really? Then why aren't you caught up now. It's silly, and it's not worth my time to consider as a reason to not put you on a vig list.

Well, why should they bother?

I caught up. I started being useful. Guess what, you still want me dead.

It's almost like that's not even the real motivation behind your choices.

[Rubicon]

Do you think scum were given fake claims that include actual powers, that are actually in the game?

Because the power Vezok is claiming is definitely a real power. At least one other player crumbed the role early on, others seem to be hinting they have it, etc.

If AP gave out fakeclaims that correspond to town roles, I'd expect all the powers to match. Otherwise the fakeclaim itself would serve as a scumclaim.

This is a decent enough point.

Although in the one other Venmar game I've played (Gears of War), he only gave the scum fake names, not flavor or powers. Not sure how it was in Walking Dead.

Giving the scum a real power fake claim, that several town players have, seems OP, not just for the claim but for telling scum what powers are in the town.

[Majiffy]

Eh. In a normal game I would agree, but this doesn't seem like a normal game PR-wise.

[Zdenek]

I don't like that Thor was leaving RC off the zombie-kill list. I'm not sure I believe he would defend a buddy so blatantly, and I'm more inclined to think that it's scum trying to gain credibility by not pushing for the death of someone they know is likely to flip town today.
While I look into things,

Unvote

[Thor665]

Incompatible reads re: myself and Vezok. Plus his read of me in general, which started as OMGUS and continues as... OMGUS.

He opens his mouth and thoughts come out - that is called 'town' last I checked.
OMGUS isn't scummy.

Thor, thoughts on what I say about mastin in 2004?

Basically you complain that he typed a lot without saying much.
In my opinion that is called "mastin's posting" and didn't really deserve much comment. Functionally you did the same thing as him because you didn't just come out and flat out say he was fluff posting even though that appears to be your drive, instead you asked people if they understood what he was saying...
Meh.

1. Yes, I agree you have

attempted

to step up your presence as I have made noise about you on the death list.

Exactly. Why do you want me dead, then?

Dunno, wonder if there's something in what I've said...

So did I. That's why you sharing time management advice as though you know something about our lives is Smurfing irritating.

It's irritating to me that people sign up for games and then complain that they don't have time to play the games.
So I guess we can just both be irritated.
Mine is based on people living up to what they said they could live up to though. Yours is based on awareness that I'm correct, but apparently not wanting to be reminded about it because you are willing to say it's happening.

The point is that vig lists are usually for players who are either scum, or for the kind of policy lynch-type player who is useless / can't be read later / is a liability? And not, you know, for ruining the game for good town players just because they didn't meet Thor's lofty standards for Day 1 content.

Multiple people are calling you scummy.
Multiple people are suggesting your contribution is lackluster.
I am one of them, and I am also one of them willing to be loud about it and to make you dead. You'll notice that there are a lot of players that no one is suggesting end up on the list. Oddly not all of those players are the highest posters. Some of the names on the list *are* some of the highest posters. I have said many times to many people that there is a difference between providing posts and providing content. You'll note that multiple people are reacting to me and what I'm doing in thread. There is only one person (me) reacting to you. That's also a difference.

I don't like that Thor was leaving RC off the zombie-kill list. I'm not sure I believe he would defend a buddy so blatantly, and I'm more inclined to think that it's scum trying to gain credibility by not pushing for the death of someone they know is likely to flip town today.

Whut?

Zombie Nom List

Action Dan (top pick)
Rubicon
Red Coyote

I'll agree the list keeps changing, but to cite me as not having him on the list when there was a point I was looking to end the day with him on the list?
Read m0ar.

[Thor665]

@Zed - heck, didn't he do a claim *because* of my list? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening too.
Meaning he was at least pretty convinced I wanted him dead.

[Majiffy]

He opens his mouth and thoughts come out - that is called 'town' last I checked.
OMGUS isn't scummy.

Not the way he's doing it. Look at us in ISO and tell me you see town out of him.

[Thor665]

The idea of reading the pair of you in ISO fills me with no joy.
Can't you just tell me how "he's doing it"?

Because I've played with town Pidgey, and this feels exceedingly like town Pidgey to me.
Heck, your case against him even feels like the case he had on him.

@AP - what was the Pidgey case? I'm not crazy in recalling it from that one game as his chronic foot in mouth situation, right? Because that's what I recall. It was like 'oh, Cop said he's town...but he says stuff that doesn't add up, must be a GF" right?

[Majiffy]

There's 83 pages, plenty of content on my end, and his entire summation of his read on me boils down to me reading him as scum. That's not town trying to figure things out, that's a comfortable read to sit on that no one will ask about.

[Zdenek]

@Zed - heck, didn't he do a claim *because* of my list? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening too.
Meaning he was at least pretty convinced I wanted him dead.

Where?

[Thor665]

@Zed - I showed already that what you were saying about me was untrue. If you want to see if something I claim to remember is or isn't legit in connection to a point you raised that I already showed was based on a false premise then feel free to do the research yourself.

@Majiffy - Even if I agree with you 100% about that, and I probably mostly do...I don't think that says anything about his alignment.

[Zdenek]

LOL Thor.

Nom List

Action Dan *or* Sekai, whichever we don't lynch (unless the one we lynch flips scum, in which case choose BBMolla)
Rubicon
Chessball

[Zdenek]

Why would that make Toog likely town?

Well...basically you seem to agree with me that scum have some sort of mechanic to affect the horde.
Toog is arguing that there is no such mechanic due to mod and is *also* arguing that despite this fact we shouldn't reveal anything to scum.
What's the scum motive there? If they have an effect he's shooting them in the foot and if they don't then he's also shooting them in the foot. I just don't see scum wanting to get into that discussion in the way he did.

How does this make any sense? If scum don't have a mechanic to affect the horde, then town could try targeting more precisely, which would be a plus, and all of us submitting the same three names would be shooting town in the foot, not scum.

[Majiffy]

@Majiffy - Even if I agree with you 100% about that, and I probably mostly do...I don't think that says anything about his alignment.

[Thor665]

LOL Thor.

Nom List

Action Dan *or* Sekai, whichever we don't lynch (unless the one we lynch flips scum, in which case choose BBMolla)
Rubicon
Chessball

LOL Zdenek, so...what you meant when you accussed me was "Thor keeping RC off the Nom list in it's current iteration is probably because he's scum trying to avoid flipping town even though earlier in the day he had him on the Nom list.
Because if that's what you meant then...whut?

How does this make any sense? If scum don't have a mechanic to affect the horde, then town could try targeting more precisely, which would be a plus, and all of us submitting the same three names would be shooting town in the foot, not scum.

How can we be more precise unless we submit the same three names? I don't follow.

@Majiffy - I never said he was a dynamic and brilliant town. I just said I was reading him as town and that your case was weak.

[Majiffy]

Meh. I'm not interested in pushing him right now anyway. I have bigger fish to fry.

[Zdenek]

Thor=

[Thor665]

I'm serious though, what were you accusing me of in regards to RC and the Nom list? I thought you said I was intentionally leaving him off, and I showed I wasn't, so is it now that I'm leaving him off recently...and what sort of tell would that even be?