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Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:11 pm**

In post 2046, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!

*HUGS*

Feel better soon. <3

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:12 pm**

In post 2047, Krazy wrote:
In post 535, TheBrie wrote:Allomancer is a little bit lazy.
I feel like with TheBrie I just still have questions, like -- what did this have to do with the quoted material in that long post

In post 547, TheBrie wrote:Could be a good idea. But short deadlines can be annoying because I'll likely be asleep for half of it.
While this is probably true I kinda just didn't like it as a potential setup to lurk in second dance if she's still alive

so I think with TheBrie I mostly just didn't have a great first impression

In post 1771, TheBrie wrote:I might be onboard if enough people think it's a good idea. I'm not convinced of Vedith being scum, but I'll believe those who say he can't be relied on to use his lynch power well. I'm glad I don't have anything like that.
I guess later on I still feel like she isn't really processing posts, given she was kinda agreeing with this but wasn't really thinking about *who* she would sacrifice herself to exclude. This was more a "oh I'm being kinda scumread by people, guess I could just die" response which... idk how I feel about

so yeah nothing here makes me go "zomb lockscum" but I do seem to have a shortage of reasons to townread brie at this point outside of some wifomy stuff

I don't necessarily dislike any of the positions she's taking though? So I'm not trying to demoralize her and I hope she gets into the game a bit more

Perhaps Ank is just leery of too many people scumreading her?

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:13 pm**

In post 2048, Krazy wrote:
In post 2046, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!
stop standing in the way of our love

You can’t play for the same team.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:18 pm**

In post 2051, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Perhaps Ank is just leery of too many people scumreading her?

that is the non-snarky version of the snarky comment I didn't write earlier

Ank has a thing against consensus scumreads; she feels more confident when she is going against the grain. Which is great and it's why I love her, but when we clash it tends to be about her gamestate reads which tend to follow this logic

It also does not make her wrong about TheBrie; I have very little confidence TheBrie flips scum here, so I think her comments and reads are productive and helpful for where we are right now

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:18 pm**

Nancy it was essentially me being pretty sure I should've been obvtown by then and having that many scumreads was really ominous for my odds of being able to have an effect on the gamestate outside of being an eventual policy or compromise lynch

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:23 pm**

In post 2053, Krazy wrote:Ank has a thing against consensus scumreads; she feels more confident when she is going against the grain. Which is great and it's why I love her, but when we clash it tends to be about her gamestate reads which tend to follow this logic

I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:27 pm**

i really wanted to post my readslist tonight, but its 9:30 and id rather not continue thinking about mafia this late or else im not going to sleep

or focus on "night taly me-time"

so im going to unplug.

but i will definitely have my readslist out ASAP tomorrow, since ive begun listing my reasons for my reads, and my fresh brain notes have been taken.

the above sentence probably made no sense but its not a college night, but i do want to lightly check my math notes before i relax so will post tomorrow <3

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:29 pm**

plus, if i dont get my beauty sleep, the reasons behind my reads will be worded incoherently

it takes rest to be so articulate.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:30 pm**

In post 2055, Ankamius wrote:I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?

I remember reading maybe 5~6 of your games back during that Ircher game, but that was almost like 6 months ago now so if you feel like i'm being way off base you're welcome to say so

but yeah mostly I'm just thinking of our one game together

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:30 pm**

Sleep well Taly <3 <3

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:38 pm**

In post 2054, Ankamius wrote:Nancy it was essentially me being pretty sure I should've been obvtown by then and having that many scumreads was really ominous for my odds of being able to have an effect on the gamestate outside of being an eventual policy or compromise lynch

No not you, I was referring to Brie.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:44 pm**

Well that answers somebody else anyways so I'm leaving it

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:46 pm**

In post 2058, Krazy wrote:
In post 2055, Ankamius wrote:I'm curious, how many of my games have you seen?
I remember reading maybe 5~6 of your games back during that Ircher game, but that was almost like 6 months ago now so if you feel like i'm being way off base you're welcome to say so

but yeah mostly I'm just thinking of our one game together

Actually it took me a bit by surprise because that's a very hard deduction to make from only the games we've played. It makes a lot more sense if you've seen most of my 2018 games since it's a bit more obvious when you see multiples of that kind of play.

I generally call it me generally being stronger when town is losing but it's kinda the same thing

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:55 pm**

In post 1968, PvtUrist wrote:Here's my ISO from a skim;

-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
-More fluff
-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
-More fluff
-More fluff

so, I'll be needing to play better

Why did you post this?

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:55 pm**

Like the last line I get
The rest of it; why???

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:57 pm**

Realised I was playing worse than I remembered

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:00 pm**

In post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that
yo maybe this is the scum team
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?

This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I am

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:04 pm**

In post 1989, Krazy wrote:
In post 1988, PvtUrist wrote:DT,
can you expand on townread for DT?

I don't actually want to keep harping on this but I feel like every time I have asked it's a) "gut" or b) no response whatsoever

I've got a town lean on DT, just because nothing is pinging me as scummy.

In post 2011, Dannflor wrote:I'm coming around to Dr Worm town btw

I think the only thing you could potentially scum read him for is (maybe?) trying to antagonize Nancy, but I think he's moved on from purposefully doing that. I agree with Krazy that his line of thinking regarding the IC and making it to the 2nd dance is towny. Additionally, the scum reads against him feel automatic and lazy which makes me think he's mislynch material

You actually got a line of thinking from the Worm!?!

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:20 pm**

In post 2047, Krazy wrote:
In post 535, TheBrie wrote:Allomancer is a little bit lazy.
I feel like with TheBrie I just still have questions, like -- what did this have to do with the quoted material in that long post

Dann said Allo's read on Vedith was lazy. A lot of Allo's reads have been like that. "So-and-so seems kinda scummy," but no reason.

Krazy wrote:
In post 547, TheBrie wrote:Could be a good idea. But short deadlines can be annoying because I'll likely be asleep for half of it.
While this is probably true I kinda just didn't like it as a potential setup to lurk in second dance if she's still alive

so I think with TheBrie I mostly just didn't have a great first impression

I have no intention of lurking more than I can help, it's just that I'm in a different timezone to the majority of people, and with this game a lot can be said in that time, and I'm a little annoyed by it. Felling a little less lousy today, and I'm going to say do it how you think it works. I might have work that day though, and be incapable of being present at all, but I'm not sure. Cause 14th would the the 15th for me, and that should be clear.

Krazy wrote:
In post 1771, TheBrie wrote:I might be onboard if enough people think it's a good idea. I'm not convinced of Vedith being scum, but I'll believe those who say he can't be relied on to use his lynch power well. I'm glad I don't have anything like that.
I guess later on I still feel like she isn't really processing posts, given she was kinda agreeing with this but wasn't really thinking about *who* she would sacrifice herself to exclude. This was more a "oh I'm being kinda scumread by people, guess I could just die" response which... idk how I feel about

so yeah nothing here makes me go "zomb lockscum" but I do seem to have a shortage of reasons to townread brie at this point outside of some wifomy stuff

I don't necessarily dislike any of the positions she's taking though? So I'm not trying to demoralize her and I hope she gets into the game a bit more

I was coming more from, "I'm struggling with this game, and if dying would help, I don't care that much about living." But I don't think dying at that point would help.

And thanks. I'll do my best. But I don't see myself having time for posting more than a couple times a day.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:53 pm**

@Mod Replace me, rl circumstances say no I can't play mafia

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:58 pm**

hope everything is alright alisae.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:17 pm**

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:38 pm**

In post 2056, Taly wrote:i really wanted to post my readslist tonight, but its 9:30 and id rather not continue thinking about mafia this late or else im not going to sleep or focus on "night taly me-time"

so im going to unplug.

but i will definitely have my readslist out ASAP tomorrow, since ive begun listing my reasons for my reads, and my fresh brain notes have been taken.

the above sentence probably made no sense but its not a college night, but i do want to lightly check my math notes before i relax so will post tomorrow <3

9:30? And here I thought

I

was being geriatric, going to bed at midnight.

Anyways, catching up again.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:08 pm**

In post 2069, Alisae wrote:
@Mod Replace me, rl circumstances say no I can't play mafia

Looking for replacements.

Posted: **Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:13 pm**

Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.

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In post 1679, Ankamius wrote:Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still

Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.

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In post 1706, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1662, Moment wrote:Sigh.

I really don't want to have this Nancy Drew scumread that I have.
I have not so fond memories of you hard tunneling me in Minuet.

I'm going to copy exactly what I wrote about this subject in Forgotten Hourglass here and kindly request that you never again imply that I tunneled you in that game.

Spoiler:

Moment wrote:
In post 638, Moment wrote:
In post 633, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Well, you were beyond convinced I was scum in Minuet. I’m not comfortable lynching there yet. I liked her comments about the Mylo wagon because she’s right about that.
1) No, I wasn't.

2) Using that as a reason to not believe me here is a logical fallacy.

3) Scum can be right about something just as easily as town can.
I actually want to expand on this because - and I really mean you no offense - Nancy is so wrong that it deserves far more words devoted to the subject.

1) No, I wasn't "beyond convinced" that you were scum in Minuet's trio. In fact, multiple times I expressed the opinion that, although I was not yet convinced that you were as town as others seemed to believe, I was more than willing to look elsewhere because there were scumreads that I were more confident on. This isn't an argument. It's not something that you can
possibly
dispute. It's literally the words that I wrote.

Speaking of those scumreads that I was more confident on, one of them happened to be Ginngie; so
even if
the idea that my reads from Minuet's Trio were reason to disregard my logic in this game, you're ignoring my reads that were
correct.

2) Your response to my entire line of reasoning was "well, you were wrong here". This is a logical fallacy. That's not to say that I'm entirely disregarding the concept of looking at someone's long-run read accuracy; however, not only is that not what you're doing, but on a case-by-case basis that wouldn't even apply here, especially given your massive sample size of one game (one game that, I might add, you selectively choose a misrepresented incorrect read from while ignoring a correct one).

If you want to directly refute what I said regarding Maria's pocketing of you, I would love that. If you want to just say "eh, I'm not convinced", I wouldn't really enjoy that, but on some level I could still understand it. Please don't insult me by responding to me with something like this.

3) This part doesn't really need that many words; if you think that agreeing with someone on a comment like "policy lynches are bad", an obvious comment on a wagon that's destined to go nowhere, or something to the same effect is a reason to townread someone - well then, perhaps you aren't so difficult to pocket as you think.

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In post 1729, Ankamius wrote:So yeah

I am starting to think it's better to have 2 ladies sit out than to deal with risking vedith being scum or a yolobomber

It cuts the first dance still, but it is a lot less risk and it's easier to plan around than just no lynching and trying to solve the game with the 4 extra players since we can force a large group of scummy and useless players to leave

I'm not sure I agree with the principle of this. Does it make sense to completely avoid a mechanic simply because of the chance of the worst case scenario occurring?

In any case, I somewhat doubt that 2 ladies would even agree to sit out, apart from yourself obviously. If they did up until the end, it would almost certainly indicate that they were town in the first place, anyways. Is it worth it to kill two near-assuredly town ladies and three unknown gentlemen simply to avoid the worst case scenario?

Would it even make a difference between that number of people sitting out and scum quicklynching, in terms of the number of people dead?

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