That's not what you said when we were lynching DEB:
In post 1816, jjh927 wrote:I mean sure I'll hammer someone if it's actually right by deadline and we won't get a lynch otherwise, whether it's votato or someone else
In post 2052, Dunnstral wrote:It wouldn't have been possible to lynch votato: two of the flexible votes were you and votato.
It would. And I wouldn't have lynched DEB either lmao
In post 1816, jjh927 wrote:I mean sure I'll hammer someone if it's actually right by deadline and we won't get a lynch otherwise, whether it's votato or someone else
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:35 pm
by jjh927
If I'd more clearly said I would vote Votato on deadline, you'd have treated me as though I was already voting. That's effectively active support for the wagon, which I wasn't gonna do. I wanted a wagon on you or Farside.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:36 pm
by Clover Ebi
I don't think Dunnstral acting like the night kills were linked to him is a real thought but I digress. Don't think I'm gonna vote JJH here
There's a difference between voting someone to build a viable wagon at deadline and voting someone to hammer to make sure there's a lynch at deadline.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:36 pm
by PenguinPower
There goes Clover still making me want to lynch him. Solid town.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:38 pm
by Dunnstral
Now that I think about it myself, HoldenGolden showed up right at the end too so it would have been possible - oh well. I'm pretty sure when I started shifting the wagon he wasn't around
It sucks Penguin is conf town because everytime I see him make an ego post I made a nod in my little book to mark him as town.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:40 pm
by jjh927
Yeah you started shifting the wagon without any way of knowing who would show up a little after this VC
It's the main reason I suspect you
The main reason I'm not voting you right now is that my reads have been garbage and I'd rather sheep April at this point
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:41 pm
by PenguinPower
In post 2065, Clover Ebi wrote:It sucks Penguin is conf town because everytime I see him make an ego post I made a nod in my little book to mark him as town.
You’re my new favorite this game.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 1:43 pm
by jjh927
Back to the deb thing-
Why did you think I would be more inclined to lynch DEB, exactly?
I think I'd even articulated reasons for townreading him?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:02 pm
by mastina
In post 1976, April Ludgate wrote:Mafia has ONE fucking shot based on that message, right? 1 janitor shot? Bingle was janitored. If nobody claims to have janitored Bingle, then it is confirmed Votato did so to him.
Quite correct! votato is confirmed, both by his role, all mod info available to us, and your own claim, to have visited Bingle.
What's not confirmed by his role and all mod info is him visiting Calvin. Quite to the contrary, all evidence points against it. To wit:
Calvin and Hobbes was drowned. This was the only kill flavor displayed for Calvin and Hobbes.
Mod: if multiple killers targeted a player for a nightkill successfully, and all of those kills went through, how would you resolve the kill flavors?
votato's kill flavor was, explicitly, gored:
In post 1942, Krazy wrote:ABILITY: Factional kill -- Your mafia faction has a kill at night. If you perform this kill, the flavor will be
gored
.
votato's role had one aspect to it--one. He could vig and use the factional nightkill.
If what you claim is true, then this is what would need to have happened:
votato would need to have used his role on Bingle, and the factional nightkill on Calvin and Hobbes, yet have the 'gored' flavor not display.
Why would votato's gored flavor not display?
How about that it's because a different mafiate made the kill? Because,
...The 'drowned' flavor makes a repeat the next night.
Which is simpler:
Scum-votato made a factional nightkill on Calvin, which doesn't display, and a non-mafiate killer made a kill on Calvin N1 and a kill on Blatant Scum N2 with the scum's replacement-killer to votato not succeeding (effectively meaning that for
two nights in a row
the mafia nightkill was nonexistent)...a scenario that requires the existence of multiple hypothetical scenarios that require the invention of unknown unproven roles...
...Or that you're just lying about votato having visited both Calvin and Bingle? That the mafia used the same killer N1 and N2, not votato?
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:06 pm
by mastina
In post 1993, April Ludgate wrote:I agreed with what Bingle was saying here, and both Bingle and I were saying Mistanna was scum at this time.
Respectfully, Bingle's assessment that I was scum was reliant on my lack of content (which there were real-life circumstances behind, and something I later remedied), and me being suspicious of votato's roleclaim while buying jjh's role as town.
He made that assessment under the erroneous belief that votato was town.
Bingle would not have been suspicious of me with the understanding that votato was scum and you vouching for votato were, by your own admission, fakeclaiming.
Because I was
right
in my suspicions.
He would not be scumreading me with a votato scumflip and in fact would know that from a votato scumflip I'd be cleared as town.
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:09 pm
by April Ludgate
We’re past that, Mastina.
I understand you thought you had some kind of angle to push with it, but it literally states in Krazy’s rules that they can change it.
I never kill Bingle ever in this game. Him and I were on the same exact page day 1, and his death completely stopped momentum on you.
It’s literally senseless to ever claim that on Votato based on the kill flavor.
You came into this day with the plan and it seems like you assumed everyone would follow.
In post 1993, April Ludgate wrote:I agreed with what Bingle was saying here, and both Bingle and I were saying Mistanna was scum at this time.
Respectfully, Bingle's assessment that I was scum was reliant on my lack of content (which there were real-life circumstances behind, and something I later remedied), and me being suspicious of votato's roleclaim while buying jjh's role as town.
He made that assessment under the erroneous belief that votato was town.
Bingle would not have been suspicious of me with the understanding that votato was scum and you vouching for votato were, by your own admission, fakeclaiming.
Because I was
right
in my suspicions.
He would not be scumreading me with a votato scumflip and in fact would know that from a votato scumflip I'd be cleared as town.
Disagree. We both agreed your post on the Jjh implicates you as scum
Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 8:11 pm
by mastina
In post 1994, Dunnstral wrote:Didn't you have almost the exact same type of role in another game and you were scum?
Did I?
Not saying I haven't, but legit. Honestly. Don't remember it. Granted--I've played over 500 games on mafiascum. So I'm not saying that I definitely 100% haven't had that role as scum, but like. I have absolutely zero memory of having a role like jjh is claiming when I was scum. I mean. If you were to produce the game, then I'd probably go, "oh yeah! That game! I remember it now!", but like. Been wracking my head trying to figure out when I had a role like that and I can't remember any.
So to put it another way: either no, I haven't, or if I have, it's a game that I don't remember right now, and with me not remembering it right now, it might as well not exist because if I don't remember a game, it's irrelevant to my current game as it's something I have no knowledge of due to having forgotten it.
But for the life of me, no, I can't think of any time I've been scum with a role requiring me to have the town make lists. I can't think of any scumgame where I've had a role that'd entail that.
I don't remember for sure, but I don't think so. I checked in, saw he was being voted, and placed my own vote, because no fucking shit I'm going to vote for the slot I've been suspicious of for the whole damn game.
And frankly? I honestly don't care. I'd have had no remorse if I cast the hammer vote, and
certainly
have none for an L-1 vote. We have protectives to protect players that are likely investigatives so the risk of losing info overnight is, comparatively, minimal.
