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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:34 pm
by Tuxedo Mask
Or BM, and think with me here for a second, my stance is based on the fact I am the only new player left in an, as it was put, a newbie game full of experienced players before. I have not been in this situation before so I'm not going to argue with you being right or wrong, because I don't know. I will instead wait to see what all the experienced players have to say.
Also looking at the NK from my side, all it does is make me look really bad going into MYLO, which since I'm town is definitely something scum want.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:38 pm
by Battle Mage
of course that is also possible. although nobody has pitched that argument yet, so I'd say less likely.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:52 pm
by Battle Mage
and on a serious note, I'm following the teachings of the most experienced mafia player ever, the legendary mith, who built this place over 18 years ago. None of these folks can trump that!
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:05 pm
by Battle Mage
maybe Tux, you're stalling so you can come up with a plan with your scumbuddy, as I caught you off-guard and you didn't prepare properly last night?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:23 pm
by Nauci
In post 2042, Battle Mage wrote: In post 2041, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I'll do whatever town decides is best. Nauci you should unvote. You might be right but it's an unnecessary risk in Lylo. I don't think I trust BM's push.
This is pretty weak. "I'll do whatever town decides is best", in a game where you'd assume 2/5 other players would be scum, sounds a bit more like "I'll claim first if you absolutely force me to".
You are definitely top of my lynchpile at the moment, but a good claim might spare you.
Can you elaborate on why you switched to having Tuxedo as your top scum read from your reads yesterday?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:35 pm
by Blair
In post 2036, Nauci wrote:I don't usually game theory this kind of thing, but I feel like the logical route here is for TPR to claim only if they have successfully detected scum
^ This is the correct play.
If you have caught scum, you should claim. If you have cleared town, find a way to crumb it in case you're killed.
Massclaiming in MyLo doesn't make sense. No Lynch is basically a foregone conclusion, so all you're doing is giving the Mafia more information to shop for their best LyLo tomorrow.
That said, if we were going to lynch anyone today, I am 100% sheeping Nauci's Dunnstral push. He deliberately shut down a forthcoming claim with a premature hammer. Don't let the fact that Gibus flipped VT distract you from what could have happened there.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:37 pm
by Blair
Don't forget I *explicitly* pushed for us to expedite the wagon *so there would be time to claim.*
So Gibus gets run up to L-1, asks if he should claim, and
Dunnstral quickhammers.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:42 pm
by Nauci
In post 2056, Blair wrote:Don't forget I *explicitly* pushed for us to expedite the wagon *so there would be time to claim.*
So Gibus gets run up to L-1, asks if he should claim, and
Dunnstral quickhammers.
VOTE: Dunnstral
Joiiiiiiiiiiin meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:46 pm
by Nauci
I low key hate the way that Battle Mage is outright PR fishing but somehow putting all of the responsibility on Mith, even though the scenario has more factors at play than "we're at MYLO" like the number of existing claims, the newbie setup dynamics, and the freaking scumhammer
I do think that I feel a bit better about Blair for the reasons she already stated in
2056 but I'll feel even better if you help me build this wagon chica
I've got the wheels assembled, you wanna bring the horse?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:54 pm
by Blair
I'm waiting for Dunnstral to mount a vigorous defense.
I'm more inclined to no lynch, for sure. He's welcome to incriminate himself and his partner further, though.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:57 pm
by Nauci
How do you feel about Aloratom now?
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:01 pm
by Aloratom
As I asked BM, I want the logic behind it. But you knew that.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:02 pm
by Aloratom
Rather, you just rolled over and said yeah let's claim, knowing all it's going to do is out PRs.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:05 pm
by Aloratom
Dunnstral is scum. Town controls the game. Barring a PR revelation, as noted above by Nauci and Blair, this game is in the books.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:05 pm
by Nauci
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:06 pm
by Aloratom
We've got time to talk about it though.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:08 pm
by Nauci
You know there's a 2nd one we have to catch though, right
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:09 pm
by Aloratom
Yes, but that's what we're going to talk about.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:10 pm
by Nauci
I don't see why you're confident this game is in the books unless you have a much better picture of who the 2nd one is than I do
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:15 pm
by Aloratom
We don't have to know 100% today.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:20 pm
by Blair
I feel better about Aloratom but mostly because I feel so strongly about Dunnstral.
Also, A+ to you Nauci if this is a deep bus.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:21 pm
by Nauci
Why don't you show us a game where you've ever done that as town then
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:22 pm
by Nauci
In post 2070, Blair wrote:I feel better about Aloratom but mostly because I feel so strongly about Dunnstral.
Also, A+ to you Nauci if this is a deep bus.
Then why do you still not want to lynch today
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:27 pm
by Aloratom
In post 2068, Nauci wrote:I don't see why you're confident this game is in the books unless you have a much better picture of who the 2nd one is than I do
Regardless, I'm confident that I can mail the last one tomorrow or in lylo if it comes to that.
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:40 pm
by Blair
In post 2072, Nauci wrote: In post 2070, Blair wrote:I feel better about Aloratom but mostly because I feel so strongly about Dunnstral.
Also, A+ to you Nauci if this is a deep bus.
Then why do you still not want to lynch today
We have no mislynches left. I would like our next lynch to be as well-informed as possible. One more night phase gives any Town PRs we have one more night to gather information. If we're lucky, they either catch scum or clear enough townies to solve in LyLo.
I prefer to win by day play but it would be unwise to forego the opportunity for PRs to solve.