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[JacksonVirgo]

I’m likely going to hammer if Nm doesn’t and if nobody switches to DK

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I think I’m being discharged in a small bit so that’s fun

[DkKoba]

NM scumreads gera and thinks theyll flip scum thats why they wont hammer lmao

[VP Baltar]

Also I think I’m being discharged in a small bit so that’s fun

You're playing from the hospital! Hardcore.

(Glad you are recovering)

[JacksonVirgo]

Also I think I’m being discharged in a small bit so that’s fun

You're playing from the hospital! Hardcore.

(Glad you are recovering)

Scum hunting never rests!!!

[VP Baltar]

The infinity unvote-revote though. Haha

[Infinity 324]

You never know, he could've changed his mind...

[Not_Mafia]

NM scumreads gera and thinks theyll flip scum thats why they wont hammer lmao

Incorrect

[Almost50]

UNVOTE: consider my vote still on but yeah

That really doesn't help. Many players refuse to claim unless actually put to E-1, and some even would insist there has to be a declaration on intent for them to claim. Now we are dealing with someone who explicitly said he wasn't claiming, so I don't think being put @E-2 would pressure him much.

[Marky Mark]

Evening all, in a fun plot twist I went to visit friends on the last night before the new UK lockdown and then had a mahoosive drive home due to a bunch of road closures. Just hopped on super quickly to get up to date.

I’m likely going to hammer if Nm doesn’t and if nobody switches to DK

This is basically my position too. I still favour a DK elim today. That seems to be looking increasingly less likely. At any rate, I would like to see FL weigh-in prior to hammer if possible. We still have 24H to put this through so I am content to leave this overnight (ie overnight UK time) and will look at this tomorrow and, if necessary hammer geraint. I agree that a claim would be helpful here but he seems unlikely to change his mind as I am not the first to say this.

[Glitch]

Vote Count incoming. If any of the wagon administration teams would like to call a recount, please contact your attorney. </election humor>

fckuk you \
VOTE: falvor[/vpt]

Important Note: This vote will not be counted in accordance with the rules. DkKoba, if you would like this vote to be counted, please confirm by voting with the official voting tags.

[Glitch]

Official Vote Count 1.12

Airbending focuses on circular movements and disengaging an opponent. Typical airbender strategy focuses on avoiding and evading. While airbenders can use their abilities for aggression if they choose, most follow the peaceful ways of their ancestors who formed a spiritual culture of detachment from the world, nomadic living, pacifism, and peace.

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Official Vote Count 1.12

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.

Geraintm: 6

(E-1)

(Gamma Emerald, DrippingGoofball, VP Baltar, Infinity 324, Tayl0r Swift, Almost50)

DkKoba: 3

(JacksonVirgo, Not_Mafia, Marky Mark)

Infinity 324: 3

(Andresvmb, geraintm, DkKoba)

Not Voting: 1

(Flavor Leaf)

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-11-06 00:19:20).

Mod notes: JacksonVirgo is V/LA until (expired on 2020-11-06 00:02:47).
1948 was not counted as a vote in accordance with the Rule 14.

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[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I don't think I've been in a single game with you where you had to catch up. Clearly you are a much more experienced player than when I last played with you, and the idea that I would use info from a completely different situation from your first game

ever

on this site to push you here is absurd.

Most of our games together come from the time where I had ample ability to play mafia. That is absolutely not the situation these days. I have work and other obligations, and I also try to vary my recreational activities. As such my ability to handle fast games is limited at times. Generally I have the ability to float along in most games, and can select a specific one to focus on at a time, which you saw me mention in Haunted Village. In order to do that, though, I actually need the ability to carve out time to do it, which for like the last week I either haven’t had or have wanted to use to do something else regarding my recreation.
As such I have not been able to escape this state of needing to catch up, so I’m trying to just float along and interact with people based on limited opinions and knowledge. 1842 seems to present this vibe of “if you’re not caught up, don’t try to do anything until you are”. Well, I can’t really resolve that for a while, so what, do you want me to replace out, do nothing, or what? I’ve already asserted this, but my vote was not opportunistic, I just voted someone who I wanted to vote but wasn’t voting yet because of a condition I had wanted to resolve but was realizing I wasn’t going to be able to in time to help. And it’s a bit weird to call it opportunistic when the VC shows me as the first vote, no? In addition I fail to see how I was overly defensive in 1823. Tay said I was dodging tough questions by saying I wasn’t caught up, so I put her on the spot to name an example. I followed it up by saying my self-analysis of my meta has never turned up an instance where I’d done the thing she seemed to be accusing me of. I think it’s a stretch to even call that defensive, so the additional “overly” makes me suspect you are acting in bad faith by trying to paint it as something it really isn’t.

As for how this scenario relates back to that newbie, you saw how I struggled to deal with Zyf’s pressure there. So you know I have trouble with dealing with a player intent on picking apart every single thing that I do. I saw the seeds of that kind of push in that post where you referenced specific posts as things you thought were scummy of me. I also was not having a good time trying to keep up with the activity level of the game, which while it doesn’t have anything to do with that newbie game, I think you were cognizant of it and felt like you could pressure me and possibly hit me while my guard was down, it’s just your timing was a little off probably, or you expect more people to take your bait.
Another problem with your attempt to push me is the fact you called for a flash wagon. Earlier you had me and geraint in seemingly different positions to what you seem to have is at now. What caused that shift, because I don’t think anything in what I or geraint has done is enough to completely swap where we are in your reads. Seems more like you started to get cold feet on a distancing attempt. I also feel like the things you pushed me for are a bit weak sauce even if you genuinely believe them as valid points, at least to call for a flash wagon. Seems you’re concerned that you and geraint are both pinned by wagons and are trying to wrestle your way out.

I’m not closed to the chance you might be town, but if you are listen well. Your attempt to push me for, in essence, trying to play from behind is not a great look. If you have legitimate reasons to suspect me that don’t amount to telling me to shut the f*** up while I’m not current, then maybe put those at the forefront when trying to push me. Because if you’re town, leading with bad reasoning will make derailing your push a simple task, as once the head is off-track the rest will follow. If you genuinely think I’m scum you should argue like you mean it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have to confess, I'm still not sure why people are voting for me.

But to help the game along, if people are expecting me to claim if I get closer to being eliminated I am not going to

Not claiming doesn’t sound like helping the game along

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I actually caught them with that slip earlier

Consider this intent to hammer, I won’t just yet so they can claim and I can read that of which I haven’t yet yada yada

If this flips red, it’s likely that at least one of the top wagons is also scum. Possibly both

What is this slip you speak of

[Gamma Emerald]

I do think Koba is more likely to be mafia than gerain personally but I think they both are together

Just claim and we will sort from there, not claiming as town is throwing

I'm typing kn my phone as fast as I can before lights out, but this kinda logic just baffled me. You think someone else is more scummy than me, but you'll vote me and leave the trail to go after them tomorrow. Bad post

If you don’t want to be the lim today, argue why Dk or infinity is a better one. That’s your best bet short of claiming.

[VP Baltar]

Gamma is basically lockdown for me. What a turnaround considering I hated shelly

[Almost50]

I mean, he's voting Infinity so obviously thinks Infinity >> DkK (or he would've made DkK @4 votes instead of tying him up with Infinity), so.. I'd be content if he made a good case on Infinity.

Note to self: If geran is Scum then DkK is likely a partner because of what I just said above

[Infinity 324]

Gamma I don’t have time to respond to your post right now but I thought that sequence of posts was very scummy outside of you catching up and my desire to start a wagon was motivated by the fact that I strongly believe that all 3 wagons are on town. I do think you’re town now so there’s that.

[VP Baltar]

Note to self: If geran is Scum then DkK is likely a partner because of what I just said above

If gerain is scum, infinity scum equity is the one that goes up, imo.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I’m okay with Gera. Something wants me to go Infinity instead. I don’t like they ignored my PR question and then I disappeared.

I don’t like the way DGB was positioning themselves in relation to Dkk. It looks like buddy protection or white Knight, either way I think DGB is scum, and that’s what’s holding

Annoyingly, I am kinda busy until Monday. I’m with Emperor FlippyNips right now, and my birthday weekend is there so for some stuff planned out, and i have my NaNoWriMo, and I’m trying to full send my website, so I’m probably gonna have to VLA until Monday. I’ll try to be around still, but like, yeah, I’m gonna be busy.

[Infinity 324]

Did you expect me to answer the PR question?

[Gamma Emerald]

With VP here, but I don’t think A50 is 100% wrong that it couldn’t also be Dk

[Almost50]

Note to self: If geran is Scum then DkK is likely a partner because of what I just said above

If gerain is scum, infinity scum equity is the one that goes up, imo.

How so? If he is scum and DkK isn't he should be voting DkK to save himself, and if Infinity is also scum with geran then it's all the more reason for him to be on the DkK wagon.

[Almost50]

Like, I'm not doing pre-flip association here/ I am arguing theory. Best play if you will.