PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Solstice]

do you or Morning hold your "one shot"?

you'll have to clarify more if you dont want an incredibly complex answer

~mist

[MURDERCAT]

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

You haven't been here and I haven't even given my reasoning yet lol

[MURDERCAT]

This is what Murderkitty is trying to kill us over? When did not wanting to possibly risk miseliming a TPR get considered scummy?

nope

[Polar Bear Express]

Noraa, the lack of gloria kinda has me worried. I don't really care if she reads but can you ask her to pop her head in so I can ask a few random questions and maybe increase her engagement with the game?
If she isn't feeling up for it that's fine but if it's more not wanting to read 80 pages she can still come say hi and chat about real time stuff.

Hey MC, sorry I’ve not been feeling too well recently and this game is going really fast and with Noraa hyper posting, I decided that I’d start doing more once the gamestate is clearer to me if that makes sense?

I have definitely been talking to Noraa in our Discord chat and hydra PT about any relevant points. So, while I haven’t been following the game extremely closely.

I agree with her vote on Ircher. In no particular order, like N & C, Pichu, Yydrasse, Solstice, Bell and you so far, maybe Mastina as well.

Anyway, you should ask Pooky to verify that what Noraa is saying about me is true because he can confirm that I have been having a rough time of it recently.

However, feel free to ask me questions and I’ll answer them as best I can.

@MC, why did you never follow up on mu post? You asked me some good question, which I answered but you never followed up on a single one. Why is that?

[MURDERCAT]

I thought your answers were kind of dismissive tbh

[Polar Bear Express]

I don’t like the way he’s been pushing us, it feels very disingenuous to me. He sees Noraa as easy miselimbait and I feel didn’t engage me in good faith.

You haven't been here and I haven't even given my reasoning yet lol

No I haven’t and you trying to kill us before I’ve even had a chance to prove your read on us as garbage isn’t fair to me because I can either prove you wrong by my posting or our flip, if you’re actually town, I would think you’d be interested in giving me the chance to show you that but he way you’ve engaged with my slot, I’m seriously questioning that.

[Polar Bear Express]

I thought your answers were kind of dismissive tbh

What did I post that even remotely qualifies as “dismissive”?

[Polar Bear Express]

Noraa, the lack of gloria kinda has me worried. I don't really care if she reads but can you ask her to pop her head in so I can ask a few random questions and maybe increase her engagement with the game?
If she isn't feeling up for it that's fine but if it's more not wanting to read 80 pages she can still come say hi and chat about real time stuff.

Hey MC, sorry I’ve not been feeling too well recently and this game is going really fast and with Noraa hyper posting, I decided that I’d start doing more once the gamestate is clearer to me if that makes sense?

I have definitely been talking to Noraa in our Discord chat and hydra PT about any relevant points. So, while I haven’t been following the game extremely closely.

I agree with her vote on Ircher. In no particular order, like N & C, Pichu, Yydrasse, Solstice, Bell and you so far, maybe Mastina as well.

Anyway, you should ask Pooky to verify that what Noraa is saying about me is true because he can confirm that I have been having a rough time of it recently.

However, feel free to ask me questions and I’ll answer them as best I can.

Okay @MC why are you making stuff up. In what world is this “dismissive”?

[Ircher]

yeah agree with this. Townpoints for Bell.

(In response to Bell's 158.) I'll point out that have similar takes as you isn't necessarily townie. I definitely wouldn't give Bell any town points for their post considering they decided to avoid actually justifying their position.

can someone give me a heads up if i get to -1 so i can claim? lol

ugh why do this

What kind of response was this? It's quite standard protocol to bold E-1 votes, so I don't get why MURDERCAT sees it as an excess burden here.

Battle Mage (1): mastina

Not Voting (2): Dr Easy Bake, Battle Mage

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline: 5 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes

Good job guys. No prods needed.

You have 1 vote on you?

This is a good point though; Battle Mage is a bit too self-focused when he's in no danger of dying. That said, it fits his personality.

ok as you can tell I've run out of steam...I'll keep going tomorrow until I catch up

Having read 27 pages, you didn't seem to contribute much.

the last time I saw DEB do this line of posting he was scum.

I've seen the opposite happen.

I don’t do that on D1, I’ll vote here.
VOTE: Ircher

@Dr Easy Bake

: So, was there a reason you voted me particularly here, or did you just draw names from a hat?

I guarantee Titus veto'd me first to ensure this wouldn't be a scum walkover

I'm pretty sure I asked this earlier, but it seems to have gotten lost in my walls.

Weren't the bans in the draft chosen randomly?

It allows the 1 conftown to choose the potential lim pool and control the agenda.

Yes, allowing the town treestump to control the lim pool and overall agenda is probably beneficial, but at the same time, don't you think it was a bit early (7+ days left out of a 10 day deadline) to choose a lim pool?

Pooky can also manipulate it to fk with scum expectations

Yeah, I don't really understand what you mean by this. Like if he's going to choose a lim pool, he should choose one that align with his thoughts (and maybe his fellow masons thoughts) rather than going for something surprising.

move the goalposts as he pleases to get as much info as possible.

Quite frankly, I think having the lim pool presented as early as it was generated the opposite outcome. Namely, the amount of info obtained has lessened because people stuck to talking about those four people rather than the player list at large.

I think both are mistaken, as they assume Pooky will actually just stick with that list of 4.

He can change it, yes, but at the same time, he can't really make major changes, or else people will think (fairly) that he's being rather whimsical. This also doesn't address the other issues like people using it as an excuse not to scumhunt elsewhere. Sure, their name MIGHT be added, but if the majority (or even a sizable minority) are doing it, it becomes hard to fault them for it. (Making the pool much larger is simply not an option as it basically dilutes all the benefits.)

(in a way nobody else would possibly know)?

I'd be amazed if you could do that without breaking the cryptography rule.

Out of all the reasons to scumread me i didn’t expect that.

- Norwee

Show me these spammy posts?

- Norwee

This is the scummiest reaction possible. Town DT would not even question this(Dunn sums it up quite nicely next post). This looks like a question for the sake of a question than a question with real read intent.
My vote on DT is staying for the rest of the day unless someone does a scumslip. The rest of the three are in my null section.

I don't really agree that Double's reaction was scummy. It's true they have a rather high posting volume, but I think the noise ratio is a bit on the lower end, at least compared to other hyperposters in this game. Regardless, they are right that you should have better reasons to be scumreading them than just their posting volume.

In Stumpy we trust.

This'll actually be a problem if we allow it. It's going to be too easy to wash hands of responsibility or commitments if we defer to Pooky for everything. He should have a some say in lynched, but don't empower the slot too much because we'll get ambivalence from town to scum hunt, and we'll have scum just pushing Pook's agenda and looking good.

This post raises several good points that I 100% agree with.

I'm sure Pooky is working hard to solve the game so we don't have to do that much.

Translation:

I'm using the town!treestump as an excuse to do the minimal scumhunting necessary this game.

aw come on even on D1?

(MURDERCAT is like the perfect example as to why the lim pool idea, especially so early, was a bad idea.)

Reads wise you should have an idea on people like Spiffeh and mastina

(I'd give a small pass on not having a Spiffeh read, the reason being that they are a skilled enough player such that an early read may be hard to generate.)

I'm not convinced that mastina isn't scum and I know Spiffeh to be a strong player. In the middle isn't necessarily no read.

Eh, your reads list didn't really distinguish between null (no) and neutral (mixed) reads.

Dunn: Ali is scum
Ali: Explain yourself
Dunn says nothing
Ali: Well go on
Dunn says nothing
Ali: Well ig I have to suspect you now because I have no idea what the fuck ur doing
Dunn: You're only attacking the people who suspect you
Ali: The only person who fits under that category is you and I just want you to explain yourself
Dunn says nothing

holy shit like wtf?

This is fairly accurate as to what happened tbh. I would be interested in Double giving a more direct explanation on their scumread on Double than he has already.

@Those not on Ircher/Trouble/BM:

Which of the three would you want yeeted, GTH?

Battle Mage but that's cuz I'm townreading myself and Trouble (versus a still mostly null read on Battle Mage). (Also, BM is softing a PR, so.....)

@Ircher/Trouble/BM:

What do you think of each of the people voting you? Who is scummy and who is townie?

Ircher (6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Dr Easy Bake

Solstice - Eh, don't recall the vote looking bad
Netflix - Town. They've done the best in terms of explaining their vote on me.
MURDERCAT - Scum. Vote was also bad as I already explained (materializing out of nowhere).
Bell - Scum; vote is kinda eh.
Polar Bear - Probably town. They keep flip-flopping their read on me though.
Dr Easy Bake - Vote was pretty scummy, but not out of the range of town!DEB.

Who would you like to add to the POE-4 if we do a rotation? Who would you like to remove? State a reason(1 submission each)

Add MURDERCAT for sure. They've yet to convince me they're actually scumhunting versus doing the minimum needed to survive. Probably remove Double the Trouble; I think people need more time to get an accurate read on that slot. (That being said, I townread Dunnstral more.)

But perhaps the biggest reason to vote for them is simply that they're annoying. They're annoying, and they're not particularly likely to be town.

Is the second half of your post based on draft speculation? Neither of these seem really good reasons for offing Double.

At bottom of page 65. Probably read more tonight.

[MURDERCAT]

No I haven’t and you trying to kill us before I’ve even had a chance to prove your read on us as garbage isn’t fair to me because I can either prove you wrong by my posting or our flip, if you’re actually town, I would think you’d be interested in giving me the chance to show you that but he way you’ve engaged with my slot, I’m seriously questioning that.

I'd like to see you solve rather than engage with me about a read that I haven't justified while you have a single vote on you.

[MURDERCAT]

What kind of response was this? It's quite standard protocol to bold E-1 votes, so I don't get why MURDERCAT sees it as an excess burden here.

BM had 1 vote on him, I was referring to his soft which was useless. If he is town he gave away info for free.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm pretty sure I asked this earlier, but it seems to have gotten lost in my walls. Weren't the bans in the draft chosen randomly?

Pretty sure you have to explicitly ask Titus this to get an answer. Or maybe Pooky knows?

@Titus

Do we know that mod bans in draft phase are random?

[Polar Bear Express]

No I haven’t and you trying to kill us before I’ve even had a chance to prove your read on us as garbage isn’t fair to me because I can either prove you wrong by my posting or our flip, if you’re actually town, I would think you’d be interested in giving me the chance to show you that but he way you’ve engaged with my slot, I’m seriously questioning that.

I'd like to see you solve rather than engage with me about a read that I haven't justified while you have a single vote on you.

Are you seriously saying you aren’t trying to drive a miselim on us because you know damn well, if I was that if I were omgus voting you, I would have voted you as soon as I first saw your vote on us. This constant misrepping of my posting isn’t helping change my read on you.

I am solving. I’m currently really liking Spiffeh and Ircher the best now.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I’m super likable

[MURDERCAT]

Do you think that BM, Ircher, and DT are all scum then?
How can a vanity wagon be considered "driving a miselim on you?"

I am solving. I’m currently really liking Spiffeh and Ircher the best now.

Good, please continue to do so. When you feel like you have caught up in the game, I'd to get more of your insights. I completely believe that you have RL stuff going on for what it's worth, I am SRing Noraa not you.

[Battle Mage]

ah fuck, ircher seems to be right - my crumb doesnt work.

let me think of something else for ya Pooks

[Battle Mage]

ok i'm consulting Titus on what is and isn't permissible. if all else fails, ill just have to claim lol

[Polar Bear Express]

Do you think that BM, Ircher, and DT are all scum then?
How can a vanity wagon be considered "driving a miselim on you?"

I am solving.

I’m currently really liking Spiffeh and Ircher the best now.

Good, please continue to do so. When you feel like you have caught up in the game, I'd to get more of your insights. I completely believe that you have RL stuff going on for what it's worth, I am SRing Noraa not you.

Well we are a hydra, so are you saying you’re townreading me?

Well I’m really trying. If you recall I think it was either my first or second post to LLD in Death Curse was I expect to be generally useless early game and I wasn’t going through that rl thing at that time. I’m not good at larges. I get lost with the sheer number of players I have to sort, pages to read etc.

I still like Ydrasee because she’s engaging a slot and Pichu and I think this is probably town! MT we’re seeing. Wrt BM I did like their sincerity but as I said before I have no meta on them and if Noraa’s right about them being TPR then it’s obviously a bad wagon.

I’m kind’ve wondering why DT has ignored my posts about my rl issues and how I even said that Pooky can confirm I’m having a rough time of it. @DT, did you just skip those posts because you called my lack of activity scum indicative despite my posts literally telling you that Pooky can verify I was telling the truth about that, so why the unwarrented shade on me for that?

[Blade Dancer]

I'm pretty sure I asked this earlier, but it seems to have gotten lost in my walls. Weren't the bans in the draft chosen randomly?

Pretty sure you have to explicitly ask Titus this to get an answer. Or maybe Pooky knows?

@Titus

Do we know that mod bans in draft phase are random?

If I ever miss a question, feel free to PM me.

For the record, I am not publicly stating how the picks and bans were decided. I feel this is the fairest to both town and scum. The game should not be about guessing what Titus may or may not have done. The rules, as written, are done solely to understand the setup and let players know Flavor may or may not have gotten his desired picks.

[MURDERCAT]

Well we are a hydra, so are you saying you’re townreading me?

I'm kinda nothing reading you because to be honest you haven't been around much. If you continue to solve then I'll reconsider the slot but for now I'm going of Noraa content and I have reason to believe she's scum for it. I'm still not going to get into it unless Pooky asks for it.

[MURDERCAT]

Ty Titus!
Not really sure what to make of that tbh

[Battle Mage]

ok Pooks, here goes:

I'm the same role as in, what I consider to be, your greatest ever victory. Anyone who says otherwise, is a bare-faced liar.

[MURDERCAT]

Now we wait I guess

[Battle Mage]

lol Pooky please come here and save me dude, I'm about to get ravaged by these animals....

[MURDERCAT]

grrrrr