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In post 2046, Aristeia wrote:What do you see from Luke that looks like he's solving?

I skimmed the ISO last night and again just now and it just looks like he's been tunneled on ChaosO for most of the game?

In post 2051, Alchemist21 wrote:Even if Chaos is Town I still don’t see why scumLuke would ditch the D1 Chaos wagon at its height and go for Meg.

In post 2053, Titus wrote:

In post 2051, Alchemist21 wrote:Even if Chaos is Town I still don’t see why scumLuke would ditch the D1 Chaos wagon at its height and go for Meg.

Too much resistance to Chaos?

In post 1115, MegAzumarill wrote:Anyway, I'd been starting to scumread Luke for a while now, a lot of their pots feeling very vague and not well reasoned, this flashhammer push does nothing for this.
I'd advise against keeping Luke in the townbin, and putting him under some scrutiny.
I'd also like to add that I feel if the Chaos/Luke engagement is S/T, luke would be the scum there.
I was going to put out a megapost about it near DL, but doesn't look like I'll have time to write it.

Feeling Vulture/Luke/???? as a scumteam.

Just try to look into the lukewarm spot.

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[Datisis
Ari
Titus
Gamma
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Mathblade] [] indicates general groupings town/null/scum ||| top is towniest to lowest is scummiest
[chaos
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umlaut
Prism]
[Luke
Vulture]

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

In post 2058, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

In post 667, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 666, Aristeia wrote:I don't think it makes sense as town!prism, it feels like scum!prism entered, saw the top two wagons were scum!prism + scum!meg and decided to try to powerwolf and take control of the thread.

I guess my question here, is why would she try to take control of the thread, but attacking/voting me?

I am pretty sure I am one the most universally town read players in the lobby. Can't think of anyone who scum reads me atm other then Chaos, the person I am pushing.

I feel like there are way easier people to try and pivot the thread onto

Why not go after Chaos? Or Vulture? Or Umlaut? Or Titus? Or you?

Those all seem like easier people to pivot to then me, right?

In post 670, Lukewarm wrote:Just like, where I am at.

I still think that both Meg and Chaos are scummy, but I my preference for chaos is falling away.

Meg has gained some associatives recently, more in how other people (and not just prism) have interacted with the slot then just their recent read list, and the lack of meg associaives was the main thing pushing me towards flipping chaos first.

In post 784, Lukewarm wrote:I am considering moving my vote to meg, which, I

know

.

I was the one saying Chaos>Meg, and now people are moving my way, but yeah.

x.x

In post 904, Lukewarm wrote:I want to flip meg, because I think that they are scummy, and they also have associatives now. And ari is making me paranoid wrt prism

If meg is scum, we flip scum.

If meg is town, I can sheep Prism for the rest of the game.

Win win

VOTE: Meg[/m]

In post 2050, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2046, Aristeia wrote:What do you see from Luke that looks like he's solving?

I skimmed the ISO last night and again just now and it just looks like he's been tunneled on ChaosO for most of the game?

Town can be tunneled and still feel like they’re trying to solve
I just played a game where at least to my eyes that seemed to be the case for one player

In post 579, MegAzumarill wrote:Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

In post 662, Lukewarm wrote:Can anyone explain what makes their current vote a better flip then Chaos?

I feel like Chaos is super scummy, but there is currently only 2 people voting him.

If you don't want to vote him, sure, don't vote him, but can you also drop a line on why either, chaos is townie, or your current vote is scummier?

In post 667, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 666, Aristeia wrote:I don't think it makes sense as town!prism, it feels like scum!prism entered, saw the top two wagons were scum!prism + scum!meg and decided to try to powerwolf and take control of the thread.

I guess my question here, is why would she try to take control of the thread, but attacking/voting me?

I am pretty sure I am one the most universally town read players in the lobby. Can't think of anyone who scum reads me atm other then Chaos, the person I am pushing.

I feel like there are way easier people to try and pivot the thread onto

Why not go after Chaos? Or Vulture? Or Umlaut? Or Titus? Or you?

Those all seem like easier people to pivot to then me, right?

In post 670, Lukewarm wrote:Just like, where I am at.

I still think that both Meg and Chaos are scummy, but I my preference for chaos is falling away.

Meg has gained some associatives recently, more in how other people (and not just prism) have interacted with the slot then just their recent read list, and the lack of meg associaives was the main thing pushing me towards flipping chaos first.

In post 2059, Titus wrote:

In post 2058, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

Go on with Koba please.

Also, why not Math? I am debating the possibility that he gets miseliminated after I die because he's making himself too widely suspected to live to elo.

In post 2059, Titus wrote:

In post 2058, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

Go on with Koba please.

Also, why not Math? I am debating the possibility that he gets miseliminated after I die because he's making himself too widely suspected to live to elo.

In post 2064, DkKoba wrote:gamma howling

In post 2063, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2059, Titus wrote:

In post 2058, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

Go on with Koba please.

Also, why not Math? I am debating the possibility that he gets miseliminated after I die because he's making himself too widely suspected to live to elo.

It’s as you’re noting, Koba is clearly trying to break up our little trust circle, and their own suggested townblock just doesn’t vibe with me at all, plus the way they have been pushing me from the start doesn’t seem right for a number of reasons.
Are you saying you don’t want Math in ELo if you’re not around or you’re worried he’ll get miseliminated in general?

In post 2070, Titus wrote:

In post 2063, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2059, Titus wrote:

In post 2058, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 2052, Titus wrote:Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

Go on with Koba please.

Also, why not Math? I am debating the possibility that he gets miseliminated after I die because he's making himself too widely suspected to live to elo.

It’s as you’re noting, Koba is clearly trying to break up our little trust circle, and their own suggested townblock just doesn’t vibe with me at all, plus the way they have been pushing me from the start doesn’t seem right for a number of reasons.
Are you saying you don’t want Math in ELo if you’re not around or you’re worried he’ll get miseliminated in general?

Both. Math in elo likely gets voted by Datisi or town could easily sheep his read when dead. I'd protect Math up to the day before Elo or the thread cohesion needs a Math elimination.

Do I want to? No. Math needs to respect the townblock.

In post 2073, Titus wrote:Neither. You aren't putting in effort to see things from another perspective. You aren't going to get anywhere by only attacking one universally held read. You need to put in effort to find his partner or consider other points of view.

You could ask yourself questions like why do we trust each other so much aside from their being scum? What do I mean by my opening posts each day? How do you think scum would play this day generally? Who are Umlaut's associatives?

Right now, you aren't answering the questions you should be concerned with or answering the questions the townblock has. That's what I mean by respecting the townblock. Help us solve and if Chaos is scum, he'll be exposed along the way.