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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:34 pm
by Aristeia
In post 2045, skitter30 wrote:None of this seems congruent with being scum, or with not being ok with being flipped
The goal of scum is to not look like you are scum - it is to survive for another day.
It's not about whether she seems cool to you.
It's about whether her emotional responses make sense for the situation she's in.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:34 pm
by Prism
I can respond to specific points of Aristeia's if someone wants, but right now I no longer have the stomach for this. I'm sorry.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:35 pm
by Aristeia
don't worry nobody actually reads the absolute drivel I type out when I'm being a deranged wombat.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:45 pm
by skitter30
In post 2042, Aristeia wrote: In post 2032, skitter30 wrote:Ari i'm kinda confused why you cant see it
I think ur very tunneled rn tbh
I dont have much more to add today, i prefer vpb but if we must flip prism ro move the game forward i supose i'm ok with that but very unideal for me
If prism like flips town tho do we get to flip vpb tomorrow or @ari
I apologize for being dismissive and mean.
What
Ok let me rephrase that: she cares about the impending flip. Quite a lot even, she's gone through a whole range of emotions up and down in the last few days, up to and including being exasperated and losing patience like at least twice
However: she's not taking critical action imo to prevent this from happening. This is the differentiator between town and scum imo. Scum would be trying more to make this not happen
And what i meant by swing voters: the people on neither her nor vpb's wagon. She's not appealing to them. She knows how to count, they're critical players in getting to 5 either way.
That's what i mean by: accepting the impending flip
I dont really know how else to explain this
I dont think we're going to see eye to eye
And think this is probably a mistake
Idk if vpb gets to 5 votes either so yeah
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:48 pm
by Aristeia
so if she was appealing to those swing voters would you scumread her?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:50 pm
by Aristeia
this is VPB right now.
so if you vote
ceph votes
enchant hammers
you're literally the only person she needs to convince
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:51 pm
by Aristeia
which she's doing a pretty good job at since you're clearly very convinced she is town because she did all these "things"
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:53 pm
by fireisredsir
In post 2048, Aristeia wrote:Skitter when I say I am fine with being flipped and I'm town and I mean it.
I usually am at e-1 and have lost all patience with the town.
And I will give them a time to say things and then self-hammer.
and I will follow through with Self Hammer.
Saying you are ok with being flipped when there are no votes on you is just performative defensive AtE.
this is one of the first points against prism that has resonated with me, fwiw. at least wrt
699 and
701
i do think the mech makes things different and could account for the faster throw-hands-up response, but still, it's something
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:54 pm
by Aristeia
like you're townreading her for "not appealing to swing voters"
WHEN YOU ARE THE SWING VOTER SHE IS POCKETING AND APPEALING TO I CANT EVEN MAKE THIS UP
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:55 pm
by Aristeia
I'm going to go buy more alcohol I managed to deplete my entire stockpile this week
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:55 pm
by Aristeia
speedrun liver disease lezgoooo
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:56 pm
by Aristeia
btw you should read ceph's iso
it's full of prism shade but dude never votes for prism and actually wrote a giant VPB case out it's lit
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:56 pm
by Aristeia
they even have this cool interaction at the beginning of the day where they're talking about why Ceph alt-outted and stuff it's super adorable theatre
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:57 pm
by Aristeia
I really am an insufferable asshole when I become 100% convinced of a solution somebody put a bullet in me
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:06 pm
by skitter30
Ok
Maybe i'm horribly pocketed
I dont see myself voting prism outside of needing to move the game along, and prefer vpb
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:07 pm
by Aristeia
if you vote VPB cephrir will vote VPB and then enchant will hammer
i will be shot at night
you will lose horribly to scum!prism
if you vote for prism maybe enchant hammers.
if i'm wrong we can always kill vpb/dwlee tomm
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:07 pm
by Prism
I want to make a joke about 2064, remind me later.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:08 pm
by Aristeia
you will not get another chance at scum prism this is p much your only shot
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:10 pm
by Aristeia
is it about skitter not getting any vitamin d because she's so deep in your pocket she hasn't seen sunlight in a month
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:11 pm
by Prism
I'm really not in the mood to banter with you after the last few pages. Advocate I am scum all you want, quote my posts if they're relevant, but please leave me alone.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:14 pm
by Aristeia
sure
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:22 pm
by Dwlee99
In post 2041, Prism wrote: In post 2038, Dwlee99 wrote:I think there is a congruence issue between Prism suggesting we should policy her and not liking when I say we should policy her
I think this is valid, but I had a post earlier about my own shift in how much I cared that I might dig up later.
I also have always been skeptical of your intent in tagging along, particularly when you seemed to
not
find my vote inevitable.
Why would me thinking it's inevitable or not matter? And where did I suggest what I thought about it being inevitable?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:23 pm
by Dwlee99
In post 2045, skitter30 wrote: In post 2029, Aristeia wrote:What you're doing is just trying to give Dwlee shit for voting you which doesn't make sense since you said you are fine with being flipped [I don't think you do and the fact anyone believes it is fucking mind boggling to me](this is @ you skitter)
Well, this ....
she keeps saying she's fine with getting flipped
And she's doing little to prevent that from happening
She isnt really convincing the swing voters to vote elsewhere
And her overall vibe just seems very chill with being flipped, over a longish time period
None of this seems congruent with being scum, or with not being ok with being flipped
I'm not sure why u think she isnt really ...
2041 is an admission she isn't fine with being flipped
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:25 pm
by Prism
If it's not actually inevitable there's no reason to policy me. That question spring up while you were talking about you forcing it over Aristeia.
I do think it is plausible that it comes from town given that my inevitable perspective was
because
you were down to vote me and no one else was close to consensus. You don't feel that way because you are the one with the agency. Or maybe you are scum and opportunistic knowing one liners/brush offs are meta. Shrug.
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:29 pm
by Prism
re: 2072 my feelings have come and gone, but there is a more complicated middle ground ATM of wanting this to be over/being sick of this, with some hope that maybe we really can swing outside.
I had a few posts on it not being game losing on me earlier, and still think of all wrong elims I am probably the best to happen, but I think Baltar is flailing as scum and that vote will always be better than my own. If we can get it, we should do so.