Good question.
I'm a neurobiological correlate of a parallel dimension of sensations and experiences, you?
(But really, scum knows it's nonsense and I am vig, I only give the cred to Ausuka though, so this looks like you're trying to replicate it lol)
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:11 am
by Datisi
vote count 2.10
with 17 votes in play, it takes 9 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-04 01:00:00).
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:15 am
by Andresvmb
In post 2047, Andresvmb wrote:@Dannflor I think you are mistaken in how you’re remembering my play around Ircher but otherwise I think you’re Town. You’re saying I was bussing Ircher basically but I never voted the slot and if anything I wrote a post discrediting then slip. I admitted to being wrong about all that at the beginning of today. I get that it’s difficult to read a game that’s long in one day and remember everything accurately, so just wanted to clarify that.
I’m having a hard time voting Titus only because we have strongly clashed in the past and I have been convinced they’re Scum when they’re not (in a situation when our worldviews disagreed wildly). I may not have responded to one of their questions about why mastina still being alive is a bad sign - I think it’s because two important considerations for Scum where present that should have merited an NK. I don’t want to get too much into it but mastina’s early vote for flipped Scum + obvious hinting of PR should have merited a shot. Like petapan’s reputation and Nero Cain’s obvious Towniness I’m not sure made them better targets in my head. So I was trying to get to mastina’s alignment in part by sheeping them. I’m not sure that’s going to work anymore and I’m going to have to make a choice. For what it’s worth, I didn’t see Roden’s defensiveness as Towny in the same way as Vivax, so I wasn’t really giving Roden much benefit of the doubt then.
I should clarify - I’m responding with what I was thinking at the beginning of the day for mastina. My mechanical analysis still stands, so I’m not going to all of a sudden vote mastina here. But I don’t think just sheeping mastina is enough to get Roden executed. Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move.
In post 1999, Dannflor wrote:Mastina I have this sinking gut feeling that you are town and that scum is currently playing around you specifically and pocketing you
Name names and I can humor you but I'm not going to respond to Titus/Vivax/Something_Smart as options.
Period.
Nor jjh, nor PenguinPower.
Name a name you think is scum playing around me/pocketing me outside of those and I will listen.
But not jjh/Vivax/Something_Smart/PenguinPower or Titus.
JJH is possible but I don't really scum read him, I'm just waiting for him to be more town. I'll admit I could be wrong on Titus.
I definitely think Klick fits the bill here. I think Uncrowned might possibly fit the bill here.
I'm not honestly sure beyond that but you have to realize that you are getting a bunch of passive support from people who aren't really chasing their own directions at all. Like Klick just seems to be in lockstep with you without any real unique pushes or thoughts of his own. Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
I think from a game-state point of view its worrying that you're scumreading the entire Titus wagon or some combination of Roden/Lukewarm/Dann/Fire or whatever, because largely we're the only slots that are in conflict with you. And we all mostly town read each other. Fire hasn't popped in and didn't town read my slot before but whatever.
Generally, it's not that likely for scum to stick together in a block like that. psychologically, we would want to take slightly differing positions. and I think the passive support you seem to have points towards scum in that area rather than town because I think town tends to be a lot more curious
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:19 am
by Dannflor
thanks adres, that helps
I won't be around the rest of the day to post, visiting family
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:30 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2052, Andresvmb wrote:Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move
This feels like you are saying that you currently have not done this, and don't know if you want the roden elim.
Yet your vote is on him while he is at E-1.
Seems like you're running short on time to make that evaluation
In post 2052, Andresvmb wrote:Instead, I’m going to have to make a deep dive and actually decide for myself whether the vote makes sense. And if it does, I won’t move
This feels like you are saying that you currently have not done this, and don't know if you want the roden elim.
Yet your vote is on him while he is at E-1.
Seems like you're running short on time to make that evaluation
I’ve tried to read every single post this game so I have a decent sense for how I see the game. It’s just that deep dives take a lot out of me and at the beginning, you still feel like you’re looking for a needle in a haystack. So I prefer to wait until the player list has dwindled down a bit before having to do this.
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:35 am
by Dannflor
ausuka why didn't you comment more on the last few pages
In post 1786, Lukewarm wrote:It seems likely that the scum team, seeing Vivax making it very clear that he intends to shoot me, is just gonna sit by and let that happen. It keeps Vivax's vig shot from being a danger to them.
So, I think that makes Fire and Andres very likely to be town for their recent posts made directly to vivax, about me.
This logic confuses me a bit - usually I see different scum members take different positions in the thread, and defend town pretty often, even if it isn't directly in their interest to do so. So like I do not see why you think defending you from a vig shot makes these people town and it feels maybe pockety?
I would agree wrt to day play and votes. Scum team has a fairly large imput in wagons.
But less so with a Vig.
I would not be surprised to find scum in the people who have called me town. But it was calling me town, directly at the vig, with reasons. Appearing to actively be trying to sway the Vig off of shooting a townie, and then he becomes a potential thread to the scum team again
Hmm, I mean, it's possible that I'm onto literally nothing here. I think it'd help if you tell me how you think scum in general tend to think about the game and their partners in particular? It doesn't have to be too long.
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:42 am
by Ausuka
In post 2057, Dannflor wrote:ausuka why didn't you comment more on the last few pages
I'd love to but you guys just aren't that interesting unfortunately!
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:44 am
by Ausuka
(I will have more to say eventually but I'm not in catch-up mode right now, what Luke said caught my eye so I wanted to comment)
If it helps I think anything to do with drunk posting being town tends to be bogus
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:46 am
by Something_Smart
In post 2059, Ausuka wrote:I'd love to but you guys just aren't that interesting unfortunately!
Big mood
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 4:59 am
by Uncrowned
In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
not much really!
i think this flip will say a lot
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:00 am
by Uncrowned
the only other slot i'd probably be interested in seeing a lim on is S_S
Good question.
I'm a neurobiological correlate of a parallel dimension of sensations and experiences, you?
(But really, scum knows it's nonsense and I am vig, I only give the cred to Ausuka though, so this looks like you're trying to replicate it lol)
You think that as Scum I would try and replicate someone else’s reaction for Town cred? No, I was actually furious for a short 5 seconds until I realized you’re probably just lying. I also don’t think there’s enough power at the beginning of the game if everyone used it to the max to lower the average sufficiently to allow for 3 NKs. I think it’s a rather clever way of ensuring the Scum don’t ever find themselves in a situation where they’re faced with a lot of Town power and cannot escape their fate so to speak further down to line.
In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Uncrowned has his own deal with Roden going on but I don't really understand what else he wants today.
not much really!
i think this flip will say a lot
what will this flip say?
Roden was Flirt, with useless ability, either town or mafia
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:20 am
by Andresvmb
Also, just from a game state perspective, the reason I haven’t been all that keen of moving away from Roden, is that I would naturally expect there to be a lot of resistance to the execution of a player if the Town were roughly moving in the right direction. And you can’t tell me that more than a few alternatives have not been offered to stop Roden from getting executed (Titus, Something_Smart, mastina, to name a few). This is purely circumstantial obviously, and it can be interpreted various different ways (a lot of Scum together pushing the wagon of a Town player stubbornly wouldn’t look that much different to this, except I don’t SR Klick, I think Ydrasse is Town, and I doubt Malakittens is insisting on me being Town just to pocket me).
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:22 am
by Uncrowned
In post 2051, Datisi wrote:Roden [8]: mastina, Andresvmb, Klick, Malakittens, Ydrasse, Titus, Uncrowned, PenguinPower
Titus [5]: Roden, Lukewarm, Ausuka, Dannflor, Vivax
Malakittens [1]: furtiveglance
Dannflor [1]: fireisredsir
not voting [2]: jjh927, Something_Smart
green flip would have me looking in {Mastina, Andre, Kilck, Mala, Ydrasse} with preference being: Mala, Andre, Mastina, Ydrasse, Klick
red flip would have me looking in (Luke, Fire} with preference being Luke
i think either flip i still independently have a scumread on S_S
i am unsure of where i stand on furtive, ausuka, yourself, jjh
i independently TR Vivax, PP and Titus so ya
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:23 am
by Uncrowned
above is @Dann
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:24 am
by furtiveglance
In post 2067, Andresvmb wrote:Also, just from a game state perspective, the reason I haven’t been all that keen of moving away from Roden, is that I would naturally expect there to be a lot of resistance to the execution of a player if the Town were roughly moving in the right direction. And you can’t tell me that more than a few alternatives have not been offered to stop Roden from getting executed (Titus, Something_Smart, mastina, to name a few). This is purely circumstantial obviously, and it can be interpreted various different ways (a lot of Scum together pushing the wagon of a Town player stubbornly wouldn’t look that much different to this, except I don’t SR Klick, I think Ydrasse is Town, and I doubt Malakittens is insisting on me being Town just to pocket me).
What you're describing is a pretty normal gamestate for 17 players each with their own thoughts, I don't think that several people being pushed means that the largest wagon is scum. I think the D1 wagon being so unanimous (eventually) also shows that sometimes mafia is quite easily voted out
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:26 am
by Ausuka
Uncrowned what do you think of the idea scum might be bussing Roden
I agree with furtive that the idea of resistance is... Meh to me but I think Andres feels kinda town
Good question.
I'm a neurobiological correlate of a parallel dimension of sensations and experiences, you?
(But really, scum knows it's nonsense and I am vig, I only give the cred to Ausuka though, so this looks like you're trying to replicate it lol)
You think that as Scum I would try and replicate someone else’s reaction for Town cred? No, I was actually furious for a short 5 seconds until I realized you’re probably just lying. I also don’t think there’s enough power at the beginning of the game if everyone used it to the max to lower the average sufficiently to allow for 3 NKs. I think it’s a rather clever way of ensuring the Scum don’t ever find themselves in a situation where they’re faced with a lot of Town power and cannot escape their fate so to speak further down to line.
Lying on a game of forum mafia. Who would ever do that?
Wait...How does anyone get into politics..Hmm. Oh yeah. News is what someone doesn't want you to see, everything else is advertising.
Names and symbols all over the place matter, and wealth makes the rules.
On a more serious note, Dannflor is a beacon of rationality here. I sort of believe your reaction.
Uncrowned is more of a null for me at the moment, but I agree that Roden would be informative. And we got some nice wagons to analyze afterwards.
Mala is mia, hope she's recovering
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:35 am
by Klick
In post 2053, Dannflor wrote:Like Klick just seems to be in lockstep with you without any real unique pushes or thoughts of his own.
You haven't put thought into this take
My reads came before mastina's
Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:37 am
by Klick
Like I'm not as vocal about my thoughts but they're original thoughts
I've been calling your slot scum all game