Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[ika]

im on break so why are we haveing a pss fight about the cop plan again?

[ZZZX]

Wat does you being on break have anything to do with that..?

[ika]

Wat does you being on break have anything to do with that..?

cus i have been very busy and have a limited time to talk when im on break

also titus apparently needs to know when imaround and not

[ZZZX]

Wat does you being on break have anything to do with that..?

cus i have been very busy and have a limited time to talk when im on break

also titus apparently needs to know when imaround and not

I am waiting to interact with you when you are back.

Prob rhe first game I'm not having insta town vipes from you which is worrying

[ika]

Wat does you being on break have anything to do with that..?

cus i have been very busy and have a limited time to talk when im on break

also titus apparently needs to know when imaround and not

I am waiting to interact with you when you are back.

Prob rhe first game I'm not having insta town vipes from you which is worrying

well im about to head back. so tonight/tommorow

[Kari]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

[vezokpiraka]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

Please replace out then. We don't want a useless spot.

[Cerberus v666]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

Please replace out then. We don't want a useless spot.

Pretty alarming lack of empathy there.

Kari, do what you have to do.

[vezokpiraka]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

Please replace out then. We don't want a useless spot.

Pretty alarming lack of empathy there.

Kari, do what you have to do.

Empathy has no place in an online game.

[Cerberus v666]

Sure, but these are people behind the personas. Would it have been so difficult to say "Kari, I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like you have much more important things to worry about than this game. Maybe you should replace out?"

Same objective, expressed in an empathic fashion.

[vezokpiraka]

Sure, but these are people behind the personas. Would it have been so difficult to say "Kari, I'm sorry to hear that. It sounds like you have much more important things to worry about than this game. Maybe you should replace out?"

Same objective, expressed in an empathic fashion.

Well yes. I don't have empathy.

[Tere]

Kari, good luck with your family problems, but it honestly would be better to just replace out. There will be other games.

[Tere]

In other news, a quick check in after dropping my friend off at the station and all that seems to be happening is a bunch of yelling about plans.

If I get a weak cop invent tonight, I'll be targetting Sonic Boom.

[Sonic Boom]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

That's fine by me. If the mod allows, maybe you can get a hydra partner to fill your slot during this time. I am dealing with something similar. Mafia is my escape so I would be v/laing if it was not.

Please bold any immediate questions to me. Otherwise deferring to Sonic.

~Titus

[Jaqen Hghar]

Mastin Plan- We each claim a target each day and a result the day after.

Hides the inventor pretty well, which is not a pproblem due to the whole, we have a cop thing. Doesn't give very good innos or guilties.


Generic Plan Cop- inventor targets as he pleases. Cop targets as he pleases. At the beginning of each day, the cop claims his target

Cons: There are no guilties. Period. And there's nothing to prevent scum from doing fuckall if they get the cop, so the innocents aren't very trustworthy.
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These are essentially the same thing, and for town's interest the best course of action. Following either of these keeps town's investigations obfuscates from scum unless scum happen to be given the Cop ability. As of right now, there's a 13:4 ratio so there's only a 25% chance of that happening (assuming the Cop Inventor us even town).

My Plan- Tonight, the cop-inventor targets whoever the fuck he wants, preferably scummy bastards. That person cops SB. That person gets copped tomorrow if they survive, ad infinitum. If we have a flip, everyone before then in the chain is hardconfirmed, meaning we can force scum into killing along that group of targets to prevent a critical mass of innocent results.

The commute inventor is literally a doctor, and targets accordingly. If a player recieves both the cop and the commute, they cop. If the cop inventor outs, the doctor targets them exclusively. Cop inventor should probably out tomorrow or the next day at the latest.

If at any point, there are two kills, we lynch the last person to have been cop. If at any point we have no cop claim, the inventor outs and we lynch their target. After having lynched the last person to be the cop, we have the next cop target the same person the lynched scum *should* have targeted, according to the plan, in order to actually confirm them.

The pros: Well defined guilties. Well defined innocents.

The cons: Can be interrupted by a scum JK. Can be manipulated to give false results by a scum busdriver. Presents a clear and present danger to the commute inventor if they receive a weak cop AND their target is scum.

This sets up a Follow the Cop scenario- for scum. Every night, scum simply target the investigation target and town gains NO info, and that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is scum target the target for a couple of nights and then skip a night. This will automatically raise a crap ton of suspicion (what with GF already being talked about) that the target was actually scum. This will allow scum to set up mislynches on top of regularly eliminating any information town might gain before that info can even be used.

This is loaded with scum agenda packaged up with a pretty ribbon. I for one don't buy that shit.

VOTE: Lying Cat

[Jaqen Hghar]

Mastin Plan- We each claim a target each day and a result the day after.

Hides the inventor pretty well, which is not a pproblem due to the whole, we have a cop thing. Doesn't give very good innos or guilties.


Generic Plan Cop- inventor targets as he pleases. Cop targets as he pleases. At the beginning of each day, the cop claims his target

Cons: There are no guilties. Period. And there's nothing to prevent scum from doing fuckall if they get the cop, so the innocents aren't very trustworthy.

These are essentially the same thing, and for town's interest the best course of action. Following either of these keeps town's investigations obfuscates from scum unless scum happen to be given the Cop ability. As of right now, there's a 13:4 ratio so there's only a 25% chance of that happening (assuming the Cop Inventor us even town).

My Plan- Tonight, the cop-inventor targets whoever the fuck he wants, preferably scummy bastards. That person cops SB. That person gets copped tomorrow if they survive, ad infinitum. If we have a flip, everyone before then in the chain is hardconfirmed, meaning we can force scum into killing along that group of targets to prevent a critical mass of innocent results.

The commute inventor is literally a doctor, and targets accordingly. If a player recieves both the cop and the commute, they cop. If the cop inventor outs, the doctor targets them exclusively. Cop inventor should probably out tomorrow or the next day at the latest.

If at any point, there are two kills, we lynch the last person to have been cop. If at any point we have no cop claim, the inventor outs and we lynch their target. After having lynched the last person to be the cop, we have the next cop target the same person the lynched scum *should* have targeted, according to the plan, in order to actually confirm them.

The pros: Well defined guilties. Well defined innocents.

The cons: Can be interrupted by a scum JK. Can be manipulated to give false results by a scum busdriver. Presents a clear and present danger to the commute inventor if they receive a weak cop AND their target is scum.

This sets up a Follow the Cop scenario- for scum. Every night, scum simply target the investigation target and town gains NO info, and that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is scum target the target for a couple of nights and then skip a night. This will automatically raise a crap ton of suspicion (what with GF already being talked about) that the target was actually scum. This will allow scum to set up mislynches on top of regularly eliminating any information town might gain before that info can even be used.

This is loaded with scum agenda packaged up with a pretty ribbon. I for one don't buy that shit.

VOTE: Lying Cat

[Wickedestjr]

If scum have a jailkeeper, they can prevent results on whoever the designated target is

I think this is only true if they jail keep the cop.


I'm caught up. Currently thinking about the three plans.

[Wickedestjr]

Lying Cat, how does Anti like bus drivers?

Mastin's plan;
I completely disagree that this plan doesn't give good guilties, given that it seems inevitable for the cop inventor to claim soon anyway (and they don't even have to claim if we flip a coin correctly and go after the right guy). This seems like a great plan aside from the ease at which a scum role blocker could screw with us. Scum could easily prevent one of their members being caught, but there's also enough WIFOM present that I'm not comfortable lynching someone just because they're investigator didn't get a result.


Lying Cat's plan;
My only (small) issue with this plan is that scum know who is getting investigated each night. So if one of their members is getting investigated, they can just no-kill and when the investigator dies, it just looks like a regular night kill because nobody else died. I still think that scum are going to chase for the inventor rather than the recipient, but I really like the chain aspect of this plan.

If scum follow the chain, then their kill turns into a second town lynch (if the inventor chooses scummy people), which seems very powerful. And we get information from their flips.


TL;DR - I prefer Lying Cat's plan.

[Lying Cat]

Mastin Plan- We each claim a target each day and a result the day after.

Hides the inventor pretty well, which is not a pproblem due to the whole, we have a cop thing. Doesn't give very good innos or guilties.


Generic Plan Cop- inventor targets as he pleases. Cop targets as he pleases. At the beginning of each day, the cop claims his target

Cons: There are no guilties. Period. And there's nothing to prevent scum from doing fuckall if they get the cop, so the innocents aren't very trustworthy.

These are essentially the same thing, and for town's interest the best course of action. Following either of these keeps town's investigations obfuscates from scum unless scum happen to be given the Cop ability. As of right now, there's a 13:4 ratio so there's only a 25% chance of that happening (assuming the Cop Inventor us even town).

My Plan- Tonight, the cop-inventor targets whoever the fuck he wants, preferably scummy bastards. That person cops SB. That person gets copped tomorrow if they survive, ad infinitum. If we have a flip, everyone before then in the chain is hardconfirmed, meaning we can force scum into killing along that group of targets to prevent a critical mass of innocent results.

The commute inventor is literally a doctor, and targets accordingly. If a player recieves both the cop and the commute, they cop. If the cop inventor outs, the doctor targets them exclusively. Cop inventor should probably out tomorrow or the next day at the latest.

If at any point, there are two kills, we lynch the last person to have been cop. If at any point we have no cop claim, the inventor outs and we lynch their target. After having lynched the last person to be the cop, we have the next cop target the same person the lynched scum *should* have targeted, according to the plan, in order to actually confirm them.

The pros: Well defined guilties. Well defined innocents.

The cons: Can be interrupted by a scum JK. Can be manipulated to give false results by a scum busdriver. Presents a clear and present danger to the commute inventor if they receive a weak cop AND their target is scum.

This sets up a Follow the Cop scenario- for scum. Every night, scum simply target the investigation target and town gains NO info, and that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario is scum target the target for a couple of nights and then skip a night. This will automatically raise a crap ton of suspicion (what with GF already being talked about) that the target was actually scum. This will allow scum to set up mislynches on top of regularly eliminating any information town might gain before that info can even be used.

This is loaded with scum agenda packaged up with a pretty ribbon. I for one don't buy that shit.

VOTE: Lying Cat

What? No, I mean seriously. Your first stated problem with my plan is nonsense, and has already been addressed. Your second stated problem with the plan is fucking stupid.

Not killing an Innocent does not make them not an innocent. Antihero told me in sitechat months ago that godfathers are stupid and lazy setup design. There is not a fucking godfather in this setup.

Did you bother reading the thread? Are you scum being intentionally densedense? I can't believe you're that stupid. It's not possible.

Pedit- I'll check discussions, but I can't remember them specifically coming up. I did just wreck him using a redirect as scum though, so I'll look at his reactions there.

[Tere]

I may be able to trawl offsite but I seem to remember Anti expressing similar views there.

IIRC the last game didn't have a godfather.

[ika]

hi peeps

[Wickedestjr]

Vote: Jaqen Hghar

You're frustrating me right now.

1. Lying Cat's right, your issues with the plan are complete balderdash. You say town gains no info, but what about the deaths of players that town suspects? The WIFOM point is also complete garbage - if scum don't kill Player A in the chain on a particular night, then that's perfectly okay because the next cop in the chain is literally investigating Player A that same night. It's a good plan, and you're being ignorant.

2. This is twice now that you've ignored my questions. I'm not going to ask a third time, I'm just going to assume you can't answer them.

[Wickedestjr]

My confident town reads (in order of strength) ;

Strong town;
Mac
ZZZX
Tere
Cerberus
Shakira
Vezokpiraka

Leaning town;
Sonic Boom
Ankamius


Still sorting (in alphabetical order);
Flubbernugget
hiplop
ika
Jaqen Hghar
Kari
Lying Cat (sthar8 + Jingle)
mastin2


Working on this tonight, now that I'm finally caught up.

[mastin2]

Hey! Mastin! SMITE Mafia.

Oh, you mean the game where the entirety of the third page of my iso is calling town town and calling 2/3 of the scum scum? Where I had vast reservations about the serial killer? Where I developed a groundbreaking plan which was one night short of outing the third scum? (Because if I had lived with my Esp guilty and Drixx didn't shoot, bam, I out everything and powerlynch him.)

That SMITE mafia?

Yeah, you're not gonna be able to use that game to shame me.

I told you then, I'll say it again. I'll accept the shortcomings there. (That being, I defended Drixx longer than I should have for the sake of the plan, mainly. And that I didn't push my scumreads harder and defend my townreads on TSO, Heartless, and such more.) I will not let you walk over me.

[vezokpiraka]

@Wicked: Your reads are all over the place. Why do you have sonic only as a leaning town when both me and ZZZX said he's town? And why don't you have any scum reads?

This feels like a bad readlist.