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In post 2033, profii wrote:

In post 1954, Taly wrote:

profii

can you walk me through your thinking on your

Elbirn to L-1

vote?

Because your posts heavily imply that you haven't read my ISO assessments in depth.

Yet you seem completely fine with the

Elbirn

under the pretense of what

I

have to say about it.

Somethzing fishy is going on with the wagon. It’s weird that no one else gets a look in by the time a player gets that close to L-1

That's because scum has probably bussed when the wagon got traction and nobody who's townread or has strong reasoning for it has posted that in the thread.

Literally, that's what I've been wanting to hear, and why I wasn't 100% set on the lynch.

In post 2033, profii wrote:Bearing in mind your slot was heavily scum read then replaced out and you are the main wagon driver - I have paranoia

So I'm being scumread STILL off the basis of ? You're kidding, right?

In post 2033, profii wrote:Then day 2 a LOT of PRs seem to be knocking about scum probably don’t know where they can push safely or not

Honestly, I feel like I've been the ONLY person to push for a lynch or major wagon this dayphase.

Your point doesn't hold strongly in my eyes since there's PLENTY of people that seem iffy about pushing somewhere at all.

Like I am as town, I am tunnely as scum, but not this ballsy.

In post 2033, profii wrote:So maybe Elbirn is scared scum who has just gone awol since their kill failed and they lost a dude and a load of PRs surfaced - though they did lose a PR so I guess they have some too

This reasoning makes little sense to me at all in your later posting, it seems like you're townreading now and shifting a narrative based off that.

In post 2033, profii wrote:So your case fits, tbh it’s borderline insulting and misrepresentative to say I’ve not read your case - tell me why, if we are reading exactly the same words you are expecting me to come to different conclusions? I feel like you are shading me a bit unfairly there

Yeah, I do think you're not reading my case in depth, OR engaging and asking questions to me about that specifically.

You keep bringing up possibilities around the merit of my case but not actually dive into the reasons and motives behind it. Considering that you L-1'd , the point of your posts feel like a huge inconsistency because your reads aren't stated off concrete reasoning.

And I do think the pretense of your read on me based off MY predecessor - which was weeks ago, IS unfair here. Followed by you holding me to a standard that you won't follow yourself. You say it's off for me to NOT want a FLASHLYNCH to happen on but then proceed to L-1 him WHEN you apparently don't believe he's scum, given that you keep associating me to your next scumread like or themselves.

In post 2033, profii wrote:Anyway - it’s a bit of a tricky spot, I think I’ve said before in games I get that feeling in poker where you just call the bet to see what the other dude is holding - so basically feels like a info lynch with a decent chance of hitting scum, failing it hitting scum, I’d guess you look pretty bad for driving it so maybe TW can shoot you in the night which is kinda a worthy trade

Are we reading the same game?

I've stated EXPLICITLY that I lynch off read as a top priority, I just have more reasons to substance to go off of for an . Now, that's fucking blown up with the reality of a replacement coming in because I need to evaluate their play individually.

In post 2033, profii wrote:My sort of feeling on day 2 is not a great deal has happened because this wagon nearly clicked so fast, therefore our main events are all the PR reveals and then a little CW on me. I guess that makes Elbirn more likely scum if they don’t want to be on that bus

Also you get more excited about l-1 than me

Yeah, why shouldn't I be active with an L-1 looming? That literally drives the game in a new and different direction and requires decent analysis.

You act like this is so far off from me in .



Furthermore, you keep providing rationale for -scum but then it doesn't feel like you agree that he's scum? Otherwise, I don't understand your conclusions right now?

In post 2073, profii wrote:

In post 2051, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm roughly at Elbirn ?= Profii > Xyzzy > HeWho > Sky in that last grouping

Profii again please talk about your progression 1948
your response doesn't address my actual concerns

How do you think there's scum in taly/elbirn and don't feel like straightening it out but just eeeeeeh lets lynch elbirn and if town I guess sus taly
I really want to know how you're comfortable going along with taly as so whilst scumreading him

I mainly think there is scum in Taly or Taly is very wrong somehow, but I think Taly isn't that wrong by accident as he is a good player - he has scum caught more before.

OK, I'm going to dissect how off this statement is.

You're reasoning a scumread on me based off MY ACCURACY in a game. Remember how I hardpushed and lynched town a few times in when NOBODY else was providing a greater, justifiable case? , , and were casualties because I borderline-tunneled them, whether I was on their EoD-lynch or not.

I MIGHT make good reads as Town - - but I'm not EXEMPT from being wrong. That's another reason why I wasn't wanting an when more people weren't speaking in the thread.

Your reasoning off this point here alone, doesn't incriminate me.

You assume I'm likely wrong here, but you had rationale for -scum AND L-1'd him? What the hell? If you think is town, why don't you actually tell me how you came to that conclusion INDEPENDENT of my ENTIRE case to him, which I thought you said was valid and

Ugh... I'm going to ISO duo tonight or definitely tomorrow... fuck, I wasn't jumping on the bandwagon because I know you have dig into more to see his motives, but wow.

I can't conceive some of his posting to be town, and that kind of affects my strongly-set reads.

By all means , if I'm wrong about anything in the above posts, then ignore all of that and

Oof... I need help by someone I townread who's playing reasonable right now...

In post 2059, xyzzy wrote:

In post 599, xyzzy wrote:oh btw this game has given me another chance to use this image I made a long time ago

If this is all you have to say, I may have to reevaluate my townread on you.

Okay
So I’m working on my Andy/MoI summary right now, but I’m at work and it’s all on mobile and I don’t know when I’ll be at a computer next. So bear with.
However:
I read through your stuff on Profii and I have to admit that your case is very strong. I will sheep you on that.

((Elbirn)) - Taly, xyzzy, brassherald, Ausuka
MagnaofIllusion -
Ausuka -
brassherald -
the worst - Chickadee, HitAlt
HitAlt -
Skygazer - MagnaofIllusion, profii
Inferno390 -
Chickadee -
xyzzy -
HeWhoSwims -
Raskolnikov -
Taly -
Andrius -
Profii - Raskolnikov, the worst, Inferno390, Skygazer

- Andrius, ((Elbirn)), HeWhoSwims

Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

I'll read talys wall later - I never know what he wants when he says state your read progression - I either don't know what that means or I play the game differently because I've said what I want to say already.

but Chickadee - why do you want 2x night kills in the game? How can you trust TW to be leashed? it's not like we can say 'we want you to kill x' as we don't know what PR interference there will be.

I've flicked through that wall, Taly you are like the anti-chill

i'll answer later though.

In post 2083, Chickadee wrote:Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

actually I was pondering this and I've had to come back as this suuuuuper bugs me.

the whole game you've been relatively quiet, even saying yourself your reads are weak and so on.
then you say "whoever says lynching a SK is scum"
which I did notice before advocating* for the SK lynch but I don't really care if people scum read me for it so I just carried on.
so then you are now obviously scum reading me

you've gone from having no direction to essentially manufacturing a reason to vote me. bizarre.

*advocating - I refute that - I stated there is a logic to lessening the blow of double night kills. If people aren't on board with that, I said I _wont_ push a TW lynch, but I believe it is logical pro town thing to do.

In post 1876, the worst wrote:

In post 1857, HeWhoSwims wrote:Aw brass my man. I'm so so so sorry

The thing is I really want tw to claim modifier or not as it may help me in solving stuff.

I did claim my modifier

I really doubt you were serious there

In post 2046, Raskolnikov wrote:Carpet bombing's always fun.
If you think TW is probably SK do you think the odds of one of brass or hit being scum BP or scum detective are possibly worth consideration?

Good catch. Didn't see that. Would scum call this out? Since hit has been scumread especially.

In post 2083, Chickadee wrote:Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

Yeah this feels like it's simply summarizing stuff and not adding stuff to the game... Stuff like this is part of my scumread here.

In post 2086, profii wrote:

In post 2083, Chickadee wrote:Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

actually I was pondering this and I've had to come back as this suuuuuper bugs me.

the whole game you've been relatively quiet, even saying yourself your reads are weak and so on.
then you say "whoever says lynching a SK is scum"
which I did notice before advocating* for the SK lynch but I don't really care if people scum read me for it so I just carried on.
so then you are now obviously scum reading me

you've gone from having no direction to essentially manufacturing a reason to vote me. bizarre.

*advocating - I refute that - I stated there is a logic to lessening the blow of double night kills. If people aren't on board with that, I said I _wont_ push a TW lynch, but I believe it is logical pro town thing to do.

Third party hunting over group scum hunting is not the logical pro town thing to do.

And so what if I’m jumping in with a scum read on you. Yes I’ve been largely absent. But now that I’m getting active with something, you’re going to complain? And you’re going to sit there and talk about logical protown moves?

Chick anti town is anti town tho... Although I wouldn't be able to give the kill motivation of a caught SK.

I don't see too much that profii did wrong honestly. Seems like an easy cw.

Also, claims, do I miss anything?
Chick - vengeful
Moi - odd night loyal FV
Ausuka - Loyal FV
Inferno - visitor?
Dram - prime night JK
Hit - Detective I think?
Brass - 1 shit BP
Duck - vig

Finally I'm on holiday so I'll check in but ya know... I might not always respond fast.

In post 2085, profii wrote:I've flicked through that wall, Taly you are like the anti-chill

i'll answer later though.

I mean, we both know I can't be chill long-term if I tried.

But seriously, I'm having a lot of difficulty understanding your read on , me, and .

In MY perspective, you went from:
to or at least I think????

Because you've put up your own reasons to think was scum earlier?

With , it looks like you went from:
to




Like, there's more reasoning for your scumread on me I'm guessing, but a lot of the reasons you listed are either NAI, or could've EASILY been dispelled if you actually put up a case on why was town in the first place, or even ENGAGED with my case at all.

It just feels like whenever I respond to you, you focus in on anything that could reinforce your scumread without reading into what I'm talking to you about.

But I'm already a bit drained from this back and forth... I don't understand your reads, and I'm still gauging on whether that's AI for you.

HeWhoSwims wrote:I don't see too much that profii did wrong honestly. Seems like an easy cw.

That's what I originally thought to, and am trying to decide on fully.

How about you talk about the wagon and the votes on them?

I'm trying to see if the potential groupscum on the wagon that transitioned to the wagon did it out of bussing or survival.

Or out of genuine scumhunting and gamesolving

I fully agree though that people shouldn't be reading you only by Dave.

I'll read the case on Elbirn again

Sky wagon is good wagon... Sorry gal but I just really scumread you here. But did she really have a wagon?

Taly... Part of your reasoning for Elbscum is not following up on suspicions and not voting there. Tbh that's my play style... Though I always get shit for it so idk if I can blame the people on the wagon.

In post 2088, Chickadee wrote:

In post 2086, profii wrote:

In post 2083, Chickadee wrote:Profii you can stop scum claiming. We caught you. Why on earth advocate for a TW lynch? It doesn’t make any sense. Even if TW is a serial killer, group scum dies first. I think you know a lynch on him isn’t going through so you’re trying to look town by pointing fingers at potential scum. And that point is backed up by your immediate vote on sky, right after advocating killing TW.


VOTE: profii

actually I was pondering this and I've had to come back as this suuuuuper bugs me.

the whole game you've been relatively quiet, even saying yourself your reads are weak and so on.
then you say "whoever says lynching a SK is scum"
which I did notice before advocating* for the SK lynch but I don't really care if people scum read me for it so I just carried on.
so then you are now obviously scum reading me

you've gone from having no direction to essentially manufacturing a reason to vote me. bizarre.

*advocating - I refute that - I stated there is a logic to lessening the blow of double night kills. If people aren't on board with that, I said I _wont_ push a TW lynch, but I believe it is logical pro town thing to do.

Third party hunting over group scum hunting is not the logical pro town thing to do.

And so what if I’m jumping in with a scum read on you. Yes I’ve been largely absent. But now that I’m getting active with something, you’re going to complain? And you’re going to sit there and talk about logical protown moves?

I’m observing the following

“I’m not really in this game my reads are weak”
“Still have no reads but anyone who says lynch SK is scum”

*profii: TW is SK, it’s worth lynching*

“I’ve magically found scum guys”


That is _totally_ manufactured

Also if I was really scum, why would I say that knowing you would start pushing for me in the middle of my biggest scrutiny period thus far


I’m not complaining - I just find that a really really weak way to get on my wagon

Guys, comments on the claims? I'd like to have that list fixed and kept

In post 2089, HeWhoSwims wrote:Chick anti town is anti town tho... Although I wouldn't be able to give the kill motivation of a caught SK.

I don't see too much that profii did wrong honestly. Seems like an easy cw.

Also, claims, do I miss anything?
Chick - vengeful
Moi - odd night loyal FV
Ausuka - Loyal FV
Inferno - visitor?
Dram - prime night JK
Hit - Detective I think?
Brass - 1

shit

BP
Duck - vig

Finally I'm on holiday so I'll check in but ya know... I might not always respond fast.

Lmao