In post 2069, Shoshin wrote:How is my reads list opportunistic? I don't understand what you're saying about "show and change" and "reconsider." I'm always going to reconsider reads as the game progresses. But in this moment, they're locktown.
All you're lockdown reads are Mia for the most part capable of showing at the last moment.
I've had these reads since before they were Mia...
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:51 pm
by mcqueen
RadiantCowbells requested replacement, and brassherald replaces him.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:52 pm
by Emperor flippyNips
I’m town reading worm over shoshin
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:52 pm
by Shoshin
Can we please have an extension, mcqueen? This is ridiculous.
RadiantCowbells requested replacement, and brassherald replaces him.
Cop should still check this slot no?
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:53 pm
by Shoshin
No, brass is obvious to read.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:53 pm
by Shoshin
He's probably one of the easiest players to read on the site.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:54 pm
by mcqueen
In post 2078, Shoshin wrote:Can we please have an extension, mcqueen? This is ridiculous.
I’ve been pondering this.
There will be a 3 day extension to the deadline.
plz giv few mins for me to update it
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:55 pm
by Shoshin
Thank fucking god.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:56 pm
by Shoshin
I'm done playing this for tonight.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:03 pm
by Emperor flippyNips
Cool that works out perfectly. I’ll go back & read over shoshin & see if I feel any different. Same with worm
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:11 pm
by Titus
I didn't want to make that choice in the time we had. I was favoring lynching Shosin too but it was based on info rather than Shoshin being scummy which didn't sit right.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:14 pm
by brassherald
Yo, I'll catch up tomorrow-ish. All hands on deck at the office.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:16 pm
by Titus
Well, I'll be back later too then. Anyone can feel free to point me to an important point and get my opinion. *hint please do*
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:17 pm
by brassherald
In post 2089, Titus wrote:Well, I'll be back later too then. Anyone can feel free to point me to an important point and get my opinion. *hint please do*
Fun fact, if you just don't read and do things, people will yell at you and tell you what happened in the game like you're the idiot I actually am.
In post 1864, Shoshin wrote:I want to know why Worm/Celica are town. If you don't want to answer, then don't complain about nobody playing the game. You're behaving in ways that don't make conversation possible, & regardless your alignment it's anti-town.
In post 2087, Titus wrote:I was favoring lynching Shosin too but it was based on info rather than Shoshin being scummy which didn't sit right.
What information would you gain from my lynch? And how would lynching me provide more information than lynching Worm?
I'd get wagonomics information. The way I read people is how they treat other people and the decisions they make. What people value says a lot about their alignment. It's not enough that someone voted for a scum or town, but why did they?
You were in an intense battle with RC. Flipping you suggests his alignment and motivation. It also tells me indirectly about Worm.
I also can look back at your votes on D1 knowing they were pure and react to them later. That's VCA.
You instinctively associate teams as you hunt. I do that more but with data.
Worm hadn't pissed off players but still had a large wagon. That's interesting to note for someone like me too.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:58 pm
by mcqueen
The new deadline is set for Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 12:00 pm EST, which is in (expired on 2019-05-04 11:00:00).
The playerlist has been updated in post 2, as well as links to the previous 3 votecounts. I'll be checking everyone's activity tomorrow afternoon, expect votecount 2.4 then.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:22 pm
by Shoshin
What's my flip tell you about RC's alignment/motivation, Titus?
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:30 pm
by Titus
In post 2095, Shoshin wrote:What's my flip tell you about RC's alignment/motivation, Titus?
If you're scum, I'd nearly lock RC as town unless you have an extensive history offsite. While RC's posture could be bussing you, that's remote. (He's pulled it with me once but we had the history to pull it off.)
If you're town, RC slot has much higher scum equity. So I'd wonder why he'd fight you. What does he gain as each alignment? Town!RC tunnels wrong if you attack his townread. Scum!RC does it to discredit people OR ideas. I'd look deeper into your interaction to see which rules more.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:29 pm
by Eyes without a face
This is a shameless prodge for a fay that never ends.
No offence intended, but have you been reading my posts? I thought I'd been explaining myself quite well but if not, I apologise.
All right then, if I'm wrong on you and you're actually town, then now's your chance to show it.
- Can you remember why you said "I'd feel tempted to self-vote in that case, RC." in post#36? Because I don't think that's a very towny attitude to have.
- You seem to ask the question "if you assume I'm town, who are the scum?" or some variation of it, often. What do you intend to achieve by asking it?
- P#798 - "I'm also sort of lazy this game because I have the backup of RC & NSG, so I feel less urgency about sorting alignments." Why those two players specifically?
- P#978 - "You're scum until you stop scumreading me." Can you remember why you said that?
- P#986 - "I don't have a solid read on either of RC or NSG." Then why were you using them as backup?
This is from looking through the first ~half of your ISO. That should be enough for the time being.
Flippy - If I be honest I don't really have a read on him atm
{Creature}
{Titus slot, Shosh}
1. None of the things you're concerned about are scummy so I'm confused about why you're scumreading me? The stuff you point to is mostly stuff you don't understand, which begs the question, why didn't you ask about these things earlier? Remember, stuff you don't understand isn't scummy, it's just stuff you don't understand.
2. 36 was a joke directed at RC based on a recent experience in Fire On The Mountain & conversations about self-voting that were taking place in the discussion forum at the time I made the post. For context, in Fire On The Mountain, I self-voted as town at the start of D1 when a bunch of players started voting me. RC was in this game. NSG modded it.
3. I asked RC & NSG to assume I'm town so that they'd have more accurate reads. I have a lot of respect for both of these players, and helping them view the game in a way that increases the accuracy of their reads is pro-town from my perspective. I also find it more helpful to read players when they assume I'm town, because then I'm able to see if their perspective on the game makes sense by comparing it with my perspective where I know I'm town. If they read me as scum, it plausibly throws everything off so it's much harder for me to evaluate whether these players are town/scum. I can point you to multiple examples of me asking this same type of question in town games, so I'm not sure why this would even be a concern for you. What's scummy about asking people to assume I'm town for the sake of discussion?
4. I said RC's scum until he stops scumreading me because I expect better from RC. I've said this exact same thing to RC before in other games where I was town, so this isn't scummy for me.
5. When I say I have the backup of RC/NSG in this game, that doesn't automatically mean they're townreads. It means I feel safe to work less hard than usual up until the point where I think RC/NSG aren't town. I think you'd understand what I'm saying more if you look at my posts as reaction tests & if you realize that my reads aren't stuck in stone, they're evolving based on how players respond to everything I say or do.
6. Why is Creature & Celica scum?
1. I simply hadn't had the idea of questioning you on those things before and I didn't realise I might have been misunderstanding you. I've only now been questioning you because you asking "why have you been scumreading me Egix?" was the thing that made me stop and think, "yeah, why
am
I so tunnelled on Shosh? Is it really justified and not mindless?" So yeah.
2. This is fair, I haven't read that game so I wasn't aware of the context.
3. I thought it was scummy because it seemed to me like too crude a way of defending yourself. It felt similar to when scums sometimes say "if I am scum, who are my buddies?" i.e. it seemed like a scummy defense question that served little purpose.
4. No no, in the case of 978 specifically you were responding to Buki, not Cowbells.
5. Hmm okay this seems fair.
6. I'm leaning scum on Creature because he seems a lot less engaged than he was in my prior game with him (Open 743). I'm not really getting the same feels from him here that I felt there.
As for Celica, my reasoning given in 1825 still applies.
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:36 pm
by Egix96
In post 2002, Shoshin wrote:Egix jumped off of voting Celica to vote me when he claims that Celica is a top scumread for him. Why'd he do this? This doesn't make any sense from a town perspective.
You have to consider that we weren't yet confirmed to be getting an extension and there wasn't much time left at that time. It seemed to me like the Celica wagon was losing steam and yours was gaining, so I didn't want to risk a no-lynch by leaving my vote where it was.