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In post 2067, Tchill13 wrote:

In post 2063, Iconeum wrote:Tchill and Luca

2 players who are the scumteam

only names

go

Klick/A50

Luca/A50

Datisi/???

Klick/LUV




Luca/A50

In post 2069, Datisi wrote:Tchill you don't see a possibility of Klick/Luca?

klick/luca should be underneath datisi/???

which is why im willing to lynch datisi and if she were to flip town would open the door to klick/luca lynch.

In post 2072, Tchill13 wrote:i said she waits for interactions to happen or her name has been brought up then she comes in and comments. she's done it consistently.

this was pretty much what I was pressuring Datisi over until a certain someone stepped in

yeahhh i'm not lynching Tchill today

pretty sure he came to conclusion due to PoE and TR's he believed he had weakest reasons for. Luca being the weakest.

he was adamant about not pushing luca scum though.

Icon you acknowledged 2074 yeah?

UNVOTE:

welll... FUCK WORKING WITH LUCA... in that case.

i've tried so many damn times. im done. im just done.

In post 2074, Datisi wrote:

In post 1993, Klick wrote:

In post 1982, Datisi wrote:You're at least Townleaning everyone except for me. Which I assume means you're at least somewhat confident in me being scum. But when asked who my partner is, you keep repeating that you don't know, because you're Townleaning everyone else.

My point is, if you're at least somewhat sure I flip Red today, I think it's odd you're not looking for associates.

Beyond the surface-level 'would this scumteam kill Alisae last night' stuff, no, I haven't been looking much at pre-flip associatives. I did skim the double-ISO of you and Luca a bit as part of Tchill's game, but nothing really stood out to me one way or another.

He doesn't come to that conclusion due to associations.

this is not a scumread or a teamread of Datisi/Luca either
I don't know what this is

Exactly, that's why I'm saying he doesn't come to Datisi/Luca due to associates

Tchill, take a chill pill.

At some point we have to trust our reads, and I’ve already said I’m willing to bet the game that Icon, Klick and Uzi are Town. I’m not entertaining the idea of them being scum in your hypotheticals because I don’t believe they are, and I don’t trust that your motives are genuine. You are my biggest gut read at the moment, but I will maintain it could be any two of Tchill/Datisi/Gobble. I’m done debating hypothetical scumteams - let’s get one scum nailed first and we can reassess from there.

Traveling atm so will be back in a few hours.

In post 2071, Iconeum wrote:So Klick thinks it's Luca with Datisi, but Luca has been playing townie so it's because of Association. I don't understand how town!Klick comes to that conclusion

Which the point is I don't think it's Town!Klick

These two posts were made back to back. Luca agrees to lynch either A50 or LUV.

This was the only part where LUV was discussed between Luca's previous and next posts.

And then came this. For absolutely no reason LUV is suddenly Town, and Luca's willing to lynch me.

gun to my head and i had to nail scum or be shot:

A50: (klick and luca are protecting this slot hard. When i mention that both act like im exaggerating. He claimed a n3 action which has the possibility of being a useless PR altogether. Only giving town ONE sure fire PR. The claim stinks. A50 himself was very apathetic. Refused to help town)

Datisi: (tends to come in behind the action. Never generates actions. Only reacts. Her game is scummy as a whole, nothing in p[articular. Ali claiming she should be shot then lightly claiming protective rids this slot of any town vibes she'd get from the Ali NK)

this is where it gets most difficult.

LUV: (ppl want to clear him because of biily. The reasoning is weak and its shit. His catch ups are a bunch of word salad. As scum he has no need to change play with 2 of the possible 6 players hard TR'ing him. Gobble hasn't even read. So really at this time only 3 ppl would vote here. Not a threat to him.)

Klick: (I think Klick could have a great scum game going here. Pockets Icon by never pushing that claim. carries him to lylo where his claim will cause second guesses. Carries 2 inactive slots with him... There's scum agenda there. He also not only refused to push Luca but he wouldn't even push me. He had no guess for a teammate. This very well could be because he was afraid of forming associations. He's willing to risk a mislynch that would lead to lylo when he has NO IDEA who is possibly the scum candidates partner. As thorough as he's been here that is wildly reckless imo. "not lynching A50 or LUV is the correct play if they're both town" Nobody can make a great lean on either player provided lack of content, real time interaction or seeing how they react to things as it unfolds. Klick is aware of this when making that statement.)

Luca: (this guy... This fucking guy... Im torn on but its mostly because he keeps fighting me. I Town read him because he used poe to get to a flippy scum read. I was also in the bottom. He then uses pre confirmation bias to group me and flippy together as scum. So im actually scum read here beacuse im CORRECT about town flippy. Yes it looked odd in the moment. I've explained why flippy was obv town to me. Anyway that progression seems towny to me. I feel scum would be worried of implicating themselves by pushing a team when they didnt have to. He then opens d2 slightly TR'ing me. Then slowly progresses to a datisi/tchill scum team. This one has no associations compared to the tchill/flippy scum team. I provide a "thought experiment" he refuses to entertain. He then votes me after I finally extend the olive branch and vote datisi. This guy has had so many chanes to make me hard TR him and has refused them all. This dude is just lost town imo)

Icon: (oh what is it? how does it go? "scum dont claim cop day 1")

In post 1607, Klick wrote:I've been unexpectedly stuck at my in-laws for 8 days and am getting the weekend as a break before going back there for an even longer amount of time. This weekend should be good for my activity. Here in a bit ill give this game a solid half-hour.

Heres where my head is currently at:

TOWN
Klick
LUV, Tchill
--- do not lynch above this line ---
Datisi
A50, Luca


Icon
SCUM

this is a difficult lynch

and again with the random mass quote that didn't get deleted for some odd reason.

A50 has popped up as top tier lynch in mine, luca and klicks progressions.

Datisi has popped up in our lynch pools as well. not top tier though, as you can see klicks reads.

you know what?

my most certain scumread at this point is the A50 slot

hmmm

Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

He claimed one that by setup design might not even get to work. There's a chance he's just as strong as a vt here. That had to be taken into account.

Did datisi ever take a stance on A50?

How am I protecting the A50 slot?

At this point I’d probably be willing to Lynch there today as well.

You’re probably right that I’m a bit lost, Tchill. I tend to tie myself up in knots at this stage of the game when I’m Town. I will accept your olive branch and consider things again.

UNVOTE:

Yeah. Was voting for him earlier, based on the fact that he's done fuck all to even try to be Townread. Unvoted him when Klick started pushing me, since I thought that was pingy as hell.

In post 2092, Tchill13 wrote:Now does he get a TR just because he's the only other pr?

Yeah… well. I'm not very fond of jumping on the one other claimed PR without discussing this

A N3 bodyguard is possible, but I don't see how this setup is balanced around me and that role?

If I base my read on play, A50/gobble is scum

Nothing personal. I'm just pissed that every time I try to take the game in some sort of direction it stagnates.

I really have solid reason to TR you. Hopefully something different comes out of your reassessments.

Please primarily focus on klick/luv. That's where I'm having most of my issues.

In post 2095, Datisi wrote:Yeah. Was voting for him earlier, based on the fact that he's done fuck all to even try to be Townread. Unvoted him when Klick started pushing me, since I thought that was pingy as hell.

Well that's interesting.

I think A50 could be scum with.

Klick
LUV
Datisi

In that order.

Once again... If someone lied about VT please bring that to light...