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Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:58 am
by Menalque
I think datisi and GL are still town but I’m not really sure about anyone else
Can I get a readslist from everyone pls
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:01 am
by Datisi
In post 2071, Menalque wrote:Err no we should not be claiming
Claiming literally just tells scum where they can shoot for a guaranteed kill
ehhh
if scum has two guns tonight, i think odds are kinda low that a kill gets stopped by a rose anyway
and having a conftown today would be good?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:06 am
by Menalque
I mean having a conftown today would be good depending on who it is
If it’s someone who thinks they can townlead then it would be good to have direction
But if not then all you’re doing is giving scum information preemptively which could be revealed at L-1 instead if that’s we look like we’re lynching
Do you think it’s likely scum has 2 guns left?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:10 am
by Datisi
No, I don't really, but the number of kills so far is making me paranoid that might be the case
and i'm saying if they DO have enough kills to finish us off tonight then they'll likely be able to shoot well enough, so outing the town gun might be worth it for the conftown
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:12 am
by Menalque
Right but I’m saying I think that’s a relatively small likelihood and the flip side to it is giving them a guaranteed place to shoot tonight
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:19 am
by alimdia
If the town gun is Night 1, 2 or 3, I think they should claim because it gives us 1 confirmed town, unless theres a CC, in which case 1:1 trade is fine.
However, the person they shoot is NOT confirmed town, because scum could be rose as well.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:19 am
by alimdia
In post 2064, GuiltyLion wrote:Gamma I think it's weird that you think claiming Rose demonstrates "conviction", a vig claim from scum would be guaranteed to be CC'd so the only safeclaim is Rose. What say you to that
IMO the main advantage of massclaim here is we could likely conftown a vig and pseudoclear a rose if they shot already, which might force scum into different trajectories than they were planning
Talking about this post, it doesn't pseudoclear a rose at all
@Datisi I have caught up
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:21 am
by Menalque
Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:22 am
by alimdia
@ Datisi now that DDL flipped town can u explain how this affects ur Mena DDL theory (even tho u said it was not much confidence in it)?
Is mena more or less town now.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:22 am
by Menalque
We need to move faster todsy tho so that in the case of that happening we can redirect without rushing/deal with any CCs
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:25 am
by Datisi
okay, any thoughts?
Mena/DDL theory is obviously thrown in the trash. As for if Mena is more or less Town now... I don't actually know at this point. I'm inclined to say more, but the only thing I completely trust rn is my own role PM
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:26 am
by Menalque
What concerns do you have about me @datisi
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:29 am
by alimdia
In post 1693, Iconeum wrote:
Realllly dislike the GL case. Dislike to the point where I think this is the game we catch scum!Menal.
Icon is simultaneously shading and agreeing with Menal at points at his ISO.
In post 1808, Iconeum wrote:between 691 and 702 amrun did not post
you had a townread on her
but then you say she hasn't been playing her towngame
Whattup with that, Doc?
In post 1800, Iconeum wrote:DDL not responding in a townie way to a tunnel is like the best scumcase i've seen this game, and I don't have anything better despite *really* looking into this game.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:29 am
by alimdia
@DW can u also explain why amrun is ur top TR? (im assuming top of the list is towniest)
@Gamma Emerald, re ur q about my post 104, I was answering DDL's post 103. The quote was a mistake. (first times using Q++)
For the record I really hate your catchup style. You dont have to comment on every page nani, just the important ones.
Read up a few pages beyond the post you wanna comment, see if anyone else commented on it, and if it got responded to. It might be
obsolete.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:31 am
by alimdia
In post 2082, Menalque wrote:Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed
Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:34 am
by alimdia
In post 1746, GuiltyLion wrote:
3) Another point, if he's scum he knows he won't get NK'd by scum and so if he's leading the game and widely townread he's going to need excuses for why he doesn't die. He's already been commenting/speculating about not being N1'd today. And if he doesn't die and he's championing a lot of mislynches, that's going to eventually look poorly on him - especially since he's also prideful about being good at this game. Therefore it's in his interests to have a foundation laid down for plausible scumreads on a scum buddy and eventually getting rid of bussable partners at some point when it becomes necessary, and DDL is definitely a bussable partner given how he's played this game so far.
Er you do know there are town guns right... Scum can get killed by town guns...
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:35 am
by Menalque
In post 2089, alimdia wrote: In post 2082, Menalque wrote:Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed
Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.
Who exactly are the scum looking people? Claiming it at L-1 still stops a mislynch and if scum were to claim gun then the real gun would CC and we’d either lynch scum or have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow
Whats the benefit to having a 1v1 now esp when that’s likely to draw focus away from sorting other slots
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:35 am
by alimdia
In post 2009, Datisi wrote:S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?
wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)
hm......
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:37 am
by alimdia
In post 2091, Menalque wrote: In post 2089, alimdia wrote: In post 2082, Menalque wrote:Again, what is the benefit to them claiming now (so scum definitely finds out who they are and gets a guaranteed kill) vs having them claim at L-1 if needed
Any scum at L1 would also claim gun then, can they be trusted at this point?
If they're one of the scum looking people they should claim now. If they are in no danger of being wagoned, then sure, keep quiet.
But I much prefer if its one of the scummy looking people that claims now so we either get a 1v1 or we stop a mislynch earlier.
Who exactly are the scum looking people? Claiming it at L-1 still stops a mislynch and if scum were to claim gun then the real gun would CC and we’d either lynch scum or have a guaranteed scum lynch tomorrow
Whats the benefit to having a 1v1 now esp when that’s likely to draw focus away from sorting other slots
scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi OR SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:39 am
by Menalque
Explain all of those and respond to the other point in that post about why we shouldn’t massclaim
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:40 am
by alimdia
Those are also my reads ^
DW from ages ago. I can re-case later, but I dont think I noticed much of him doing sus shit when I was speed-catching up. Will reread later.
GA because I think scum was lurking on day 2 heaps, and it aint me. Texcat spot been doing nadda and if GA doesn't post some content soon he shoots right up the list.
Datisi because of my post above.
GL and SS I actually needa re-read and ISO again.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:42 am
by Datisi
concerns that you're scum lmao
like you're in my top half don't get me wrong but at this point i've gotta start thinking about everybody
In post 2092, alimdia wrote: In post 2009, Datisi wrote:S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?
wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)
hm......
yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while
In post 2093, alimdia wrote:scum looking people to me = DW, (Datisi
OR
SS), Gamma Emerald (texcat's spot), maybe GL
why is that "OR" there?
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:43 am
by alimdia
In post 2094, Menalque wrote:Explain all of those and respond to the other point in that post about why we shouldn’t massclaim
We won't have a 1v1 if the town gun claims NOW before theres a wagon. Its unlikely scum claims a town gun here and initiates a 1v1? Thats what I think at least. Once we have a cleared, we can re-evaluate based on that new info.
We don't know if the extra kill on N1 was town or scum.
If it was the town gun on N1, we need to know that, because it means the scum are stockpiling guns for later and this could be LYLO or MYLO potentially....
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:44 am
by alimdia
In post 2096, Datisi wrote:
In post 2092, alimdia wrote: In post 2009, Datisi wrote:S_S, reasons for alimdia TR? I'm kinda forgetting that slot exists honestly, and I almost find it a bit weird you've got a TR on them while you don't remember anything I've done?
wasn't I in ur town list in post 1568? (and 1912)
hm......
yes you were
and then you dissapeared for a while
I never reappeared between 1568(or 1572) and 1912.....
VOTE: Datisi
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:48 am
by Menalque
@datisi well yes but do you have actual reasons or is this just ~*paranoia*~