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In post 2073, fferyllt wrote:I just want to link to their iso, bork. Have you really looked at their not-about-you posts?

Can we make this about you and not me?

is 1257 still more or less where your reads are?

In post 2075, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 2073, fferyllt wrote:I just want to link to their iso, bork. Have you really looked at their not-about-you posts?

Can we make this about you and not me?

Is a Prism wall going to help? You probably won't get a wall, but w/e.

With the caveat that i'm about page 70

In post 2077, fferyllt wrote:Is a Prism wall going to help? You probably won't get a wall, but w/e.

Yes

Incoming.

In post 2078, borkjerfkin wrote:With the caveat that i'm about page 70

i have bad news about wanting to avoid the prsim v you dynamic

Hi Bork

Who’s scum in the cohort?

What do you think of elements?

In post 2082, notscience wrote:Hi Bork

Who’s scum in the cohort?

What do you think of elements?

gimme a few on the first one

re: elements
pretty null
1139 is the sort of post I usually raise my eyebrows at but it's consistent w/ earlier trajectory on both prism and me, so if they got there independently then it's a reasonable position to have.
I feel like most suspicion is being levied at people who aren't posting much, and while that just might be PoE/how things shook out, there's potential motivation to go after only people who aren't likely to fight back very often/hard

In post 2081, petapan wrote:

In post 2078, borkjerfkin wrote:With the caveat that i'm about page 70

i have bad news about wanting to avoid the prsim v you dynamic

oh boy

I think there's just page 75, where I claim Syr isn't reading the game.

If you want to talk about who's more dogged we can but I don't see a pressing need to, thinking I wasn't pushing it that hard while you came in with at least a more forceful wall post is fine to me. Syr acting like I was content to let it die is the bigger issue given that I was actively making posts like 868 in response to your first attempt to disengage.

In post 1753, notscience wrote:The WKing Vax thing, I felt like they were helping to stir the pot on the whole Prism/Bork debacle earlier (keeping them pointed at each other instead of moving progress forward).

If this is about Skitter, I don't really think this is can be fairly characterized as stirring the pot. Skitter came down pretty heavily on my side, to the point where I felt that prism flipping town would have me suspecting the slot. Skitter later jumped off saying she didn't really feel it and went elsewhere, which seems like a pretty towny way to react to the whole situation.

She wasn't like fanning the flames or anything (and eventually endorsed peta's post that we in fact move on from it).

Well I am townreading you and prism, Bork. That’s what fueled my distrust of skitter.

In post 1841, Syryana wrote:Like the ffery vote gave me hives. I feel moderately better about it in retrospect but at the time I was like nope gtfo. The most recent thing that pulls into memory was when he said something to the effect of "ffery has correctly read me so many times over the years if she says I'm town I am regardless of her alignment". Like, what? She's played like 3 games with him since 2018. All three games were, admitted by both of them, outliers for how they'd normally read each other. Like genuinely no idea how he can say that.

This is about cabd?

Yes

Eh, I could have been nicer to Syr looking back at it. That section about bork being dogged doesn't have to be read that comparatively, and even if it is there's gaps that can be filled in without that much trouble.

Someone who’s not Bork or syry show me the light on prism please

In post 2087, notscience wrote:Well I am townreading you and prism, Bork. That’s what fueled my distrust of skitter.

I get it but I still think you're mischaracterizing the interaction. if this is scum looking at a TvT interaction I'd expect them to do something like

1) wade in and start just poking at random parts of one argument or another to get them to be more wordy,
2) or to just go "nah this is TvT I'm not mediating or i'm gonna look like scum mediating"
3) hop on the wagon and try to ride it out for an ML

I realize that what skitter did looks a little like 3, but I feel like she just went "nah" and moved on of her own accord

I actually want to revisit this.

In post 1858, Syryana wrote:I've got it stuck in my head about prism that they don't really believe half the stuff they say. Like when skitter pointed me to that whack ass trajectory they had on bork it really resonated with me and that plus the disengagement just reads to me as "I can't win this fight" more so than "I'm town and this isn't productive". Bork's not really trying to de-escalate but weirdly I'm assigning townpoints to him for it because a) I don't think scum him pushes that 1v1 and b) I also think bork's dogged persistence is town indicative for him because he sees something that doesn't make sense to him and will pursue it until he either gets a satisfactory answer or yeets the offender in question.

I think your A) here, in conjunction with hating my progression w/ doubting my read, is really weird.

The entire point of my unvote was actually that I thought the same thing:

In post 970, Prism wrote:Bork actually has no reason to circle back to this fight as scum here. He also doesn't have reason to still blatantly get the timeline wrong.

I can get thinking that I'm scared of the fight-but why was this trajectory whack given you immediately thought the same thing about bork not forcing the 1v1?

In post 2039, fferyllt wrote:Is this your approach to scumreads in general?

I like to think it's a case by case basis.... but maybe?

Being introspective is hard.

In post 1828, Cabd wrote:Nah man, you ain't going nowhere.

VOTE: syr

In post 1829, notscience wrote:VOTE: syr

I think I’m a semblance of rigor in a game where most are wishywashy plus a difficult miselim.

We’ll see. I’ll keep elimming scum until they kill me.

In post 1835, Syryana wrote:I was halfway through writing a wall wherein I laid out all those frustrations, when I realized "fuck me, I'm shouting at noddy here" for no other reason than I'm frustrated and you presented yourself. Cabd should be sorted. He isn't. Ffery should be hiveminding with me. She's not. My reads apparently suck. I don't know what to do, dude.

wondering if the facade is just starting to crack here with syr

but this isn't the answer i was gonna give earlier @noddy

I want the earlier answer too pls

gotta do an interview even though I'm apparently off today

be around tonite though

p-edit: I was gonna say ffery, just didn't want that to color what she came back with wallwise but i'm out of time

In post 2079, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 2077, fferyllt wrote:Is a Prism wall going to help? You probably won't get a wall, but w/e.

Yes

Hope you're still around. Shit happened.

I like the way they've pushed back on my various reasons for townreading them (which you could have found if you were reading my posts, instead of just coming back to the same thing with me every time you re-engage) as flawed is also probably more of a town thing than a scum thing. I do this as both alignments, but tend to keep at it more as town. In that vein they'll probably hate just about everything I cite here!

The trajectory of their scumread of Skitter based on posts about the you/Prism swirl feels unforced to me, like it's real things they're thinking.

The way they tried to rethink their focus on you before doubling down looks town, though it's probably a weak indicator.

Their coolness under pressure (getting to E-2? Is that a thing that actually happened?) felt town.

Their dance with petapan and the level of skepticism has a decisiveness and persistence that looks town. I'm watching both sides of that dance because if one of them is scum, I think there will eventually be a falter of some sort.

Some of the posting what I'm thinking or maybe should be thinking examples, (this is not as tight a linkage as I'd usually want but that's my fault for being in a fog for parts of the game)
- The Vax discussion with Skitter30 (which was part of my not liking Skitter at that point), and a lot of the further interactions up to the point where Skitter and I had a go-around. Their interactions still resonate probably more than anything else outside my own interactions with Skitter.
- The post about Syr/Cabd/Me gave me a small stake in the ground in terms of figuring out how I felt about our interactions at that point