In post 1999, Firebringer wrote:it is very likely that the person who nullified all actions could display a message to town and is using that to frame me. it is also likely that the person is scum given the fact it stops doc actions.
So now that we know both those things. Who would want to frame poor old innocent firebringer? Probably Flea me thinks.
Rein your ego in will ya. I got better things to deal with.
In post 2015, Finral wrote:Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.
Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.
I dont think you've given good reason for people to scum read me either tbh.
In post 2015, Finral wrote:Why is your read more accurate than someone town reading them? Why aren't you the one in the position to have the inverse reads?
I think i am more right than others given i think i see their actions better understood for what they are then everyone else.
Everyone townreading Flea hasn't given me good reason to doubt it.
but is that indicative of ScumFlea or scum knowing Flea is town but can't explain why, they're doing it for survival reasons?
In post 2042, Finral wrote:I was just spewing, and mentioning what I saw in real time in the hopes people would interact with it.
I don't even agree I was inconsistent, to be fair, my reads just changed within the same post after reading more of the game.
as a brainspewer, yeah I'm good on this.
Kookie is town, I suggest reading their iso.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:06 pm
by Finral
@Flea - I'm okay thinking you're town. See my reads aren't lining up with the general consensus which means I feel you guys have been getting taken on a ride somewhere. I'm much more sold on Oil/Guillo rather than you, but you would fit as a 3rd, but I can see you being town here.
I also got a lot more out of scum reading Kookie and seeing how people would respond to it, so I didn't care too much.
I'm kind of tired of people not town casing her, though.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:33 pm
by Oil Tycoons
Told you Gamma was scum.
VOTE: Finral
In post 2025, Battle Mage wrote:I'm also fine with Oil-elim today, as the game just screams Oil-scum here.
I am more willing to accept Fire town right now, but there's a reason Fire was on my scum list and continues to be in my POE. If you are town, I agree you are being setup somewhere, probably not just by Flea.
I will fade Flea before I fade Firebringer here, though.
My preferred eliminating order is Oil --> Flea --> Guillo.
If Flea is town, Fire after Guillo.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:57 pm
by Finral
if there is any options like investigations, I'd say solving within Flea/Fire is probably the right play.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:57 pm
by Finral
are*
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 pm
by Firebringer
flea objectively has the most reason to want me gone than anyone here i think? i mean if we are talking about scum wanting to get rid of people suspecting them. if we talking just framing people to get rid of townies than it could just be anyone.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:58 pm
by Firebringer
I will be sad faced if nacho wanted to frame me
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:59 pm
by Finral
In post 2084, Firebringer wrote:flea objectively has the most reason to want me gone than anyone here i think? i mean if we are talking about scum wanting to get rid of people suspecting them. if we talking just framing people to get rid of townies than it could just be anyone.
I think there is a chance you both are town here after thinking about it, and I think if that is the case, giving it a day is fine.
I think we solve in Oil/Me first. Oil's last post is an obvious "I have to challenge Finral" move.
I doubt it was intentional even if Flea is doing it.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:00 pm
by Firebringer
flea probably not even dbz nerdy enough to know mr satan quotes.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:15 pm
by Flea The Magician
In post 2084, Firebringer wrote:flea objectively has the most reason to want me gone than anyone here i think? i mean if we are talking about scum wanting to get rid of people suspecting them. if we talking just framing people to get rid of townies than it could just be anyone.
seriously... there's better options for me, and bigger threats to my play style than someone I've never met before this game.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:16 pm
by Flea The Magician
In post 2088, Firebringer wrote:flea probably not even dbz nerdy enough to know mr satan quotes.
I read the manga several times. not the anime which is 99%
Guillo vs FB is interesting. I can see it being TvS. This is a note to myself to look deeper into both these slots. I've been indifferent with Guillo thus far.
Parts of me think Kookiemonster/Guillo is fake, but I'll put a tinfoil hat on this one.
If I had to take a shot in the dark guess of where I'm feeling right now, it would be
Oil, Kookiemonster, Firebringer
as the scum team.
Guillo, Bell, and Superbowl are the 3 I want to look into more, and could probably replace into that likely incorrect full solve.
Light Blue
: Considering you said you want to town read FB and that you are indifferent with me. Who pinged you as scum in that TvS and why?
Green
: What interactions seemed fake to you? I'm aggravated by the thought that someone would consider "fake" my reactions to Noraa's death tunneling, or how she seems to be convinced that I'm scum. I'm not scum, but I believe she is convinced of it and I don't believe those emotions can be faked by someone like Noraa, so, what seemed fake?
Red
: In what world is Kookiemonster scum? She is pretty much consensus town read.
I'll answer this stuff later, but I think I'm sold on Kookiemonster town now.
But this confirms scum is town reading Kookie also, so looking into people actively town reading Kookie.
Kookie is consensus townread because everyone is townreading Kookie.
Therefore scum is townreading Kookie.
I should look into people townreading Kookie, as some will be scum.
^I'm not sure this line of enquiry is going to help much
FWIW, I'm not 100% sold on Kookie-town - I could re-evaluate it later. But the noraa vibe is just town here - that's my own view, and was also the view of 2 dead townies.
In post 2084, Firebringer wrote:flea objectively has the most reason to want me gone than anyone here i think? i mean if we are talking about scum wanting to get rid of people suspecting them. if we talking just framing people to get rid of townies than it could just be anyone.
seriously... there's better options for me, and bigger threats to my play style than someone I've never met before this game.
but none of them are pushing. they aren't better targets if they are in ur pocket lol
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:30 pm
by Flea The Magician
*points at BM*
Biggest threat to my scum game. also scumreading me.
*points at mom*
Second biggest threat to my scum game.
*points at nora*
Trust me if I was scum she'd know.
You're an unknown factor, and I don't consider you as a threat. your case is awful.
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:33 pm
by Firebringer
I get the idea these posts are just swipes at me not actually trying to refute my point.
In post 1967, Sugar Cain wrote:Also, wtf are there specs on whether titus's role is town or scum? Titus is dead.
Titus' role isn't what disabled actions for the night... is it? I don't think she ever claimed it
No i am pretty sure it was someone else.
Btw dunny we need to have a talk on why u townread me
Do we?
I looked over your posts and thought you looked town
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:52 pm
by Finral
In post 2091, Battle Mage wrote:Kookie is consensus townread because everyone is townreading Kookie.
Therefore scum is townreading Kookie.
I should look into people townreading Kookie, as some will be scum.
^I'm not sure this line of enquiry is going to help much
Does it matter though if I stated I was happy with Kookie town?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:52 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2000, Finral wrote:mastina (5): Bell, Dunnstral, Oil Tycoons, superbowl9, Battle Mage
This was me coming in with 14 hours left or something and placing down a vote, following bell and also mastina looked to be making stuff up on their read on me
I still don't know why the rest followed onto mastina
