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[Gamma Emerald]

do you ever like

have a moment

like, just for funsies i just went to see the last time i made a triangle readslist, it was in a scumgame (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13426825)

and i see that in that readslist, i also called gamma's iso boring

is that a sign that gamma is town here?? maybe!! let's interpret it that way and not the other way (:

Hm
I still think you should actually be able to have a real read on me by now but this makes the lack of one feel less scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma emerald

- god, this iso feels *boring*. i'm putting her at slightly-scum because i gathered literally nothing that jumped at me from that iso that interested me at all, and that's probably scummy. idk i'll think about this slot when there's something to think about.

I feel like you aren’t actually trying to find things to read me on, as I’ve actually done things I would consider readable atp

please enlighten me then

I think you should be able to get something from my interactions w Nero and Frog

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma calling me and HEM scummy in 487 feels weird to me. i acknowledge i'm probably biased, but i'm pretty sure i would've read skitter's posts as townie anyway, and HEM is one of the most townie people by far. scamper is also among my top towns for something i noted before, so their whole group of scumreads feels bad, and like, i'm not seeing their perspective at all, which could mean they're mafia.

This feels like a hokey attempt to cloak an OMGUS read

just googled.

OMGUS stands for "Oh My God, You Suck (for voting for me)!". it is sometimes used as a shorthand to indicate that you are voting for someone primarily because they voted for you. It is a behavior often associated with inexperienced players.

but i think my reasoning was more complex than that. i acknowledged that the personal bias may have played a part, but it was also just drastically seeing things differently as a whole. even if i'm wrong on my townreads on HEM/scamper, i would sort of expect townies not to see so much so completely differently. what was your early reasonings?

I gave reasoning for both previously

[Gamma Emerald]

Am I the only one who thought 20 people meant 5 scum? I thought 17 w/ 4 scum and 21 w/ 5 scum were benchmarks, and this is closer to the latter. Not a big deal, just confused

This is my baseline as well

[Gamma Emerald]

my readlist is around here rn:

town mayor:

scamper

angels:

Ari, Ausuka, Marci, Ydrasse



Probably Good:

Gamma, HEM, Nero, Frogster, GuiltyLion, Obscure

Null+:

xof, Dann, Relly,

Idk:

Deasvail

groupscum:

datisi, vpb, fireisredsir, conmanmick

mafia traitor:

firebringer

Why is redfire scum?

[marcistar]

i think fire is pretty good scum so ive been ignoring reading them

[Nero Cain]

Ausuka-I'm worried about a thing or two but can be town for now
scamper-prob town
ConManMick-I don't get the deal with him, gut town
Datisi-seems townish to me
humaneatingmonkey-I've had pings both ways, might be towm
Aristeia-think she's a little scummy but I could see town Ari sitting back and being passive
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald-scummy
Nero Cain-SCUM OF THE FUCKING EARTH!
Dannflor-maybe a lilttle scummy
fireisredsir-town
GuiltyLion-town
VP Baltar-kinda scummy
marcistar-a lil scummy
xofelf-townish
obscure-town
Irrelephant11-scum
ydrasse-town?
Frogsterking-town? I have a small worry that Dunn just noped out of the game after I tunneled him in our last game but maybe you could say that's null.
DeasVail-scummy

if I was King for a day I would make Irrelephant irrelevant

[Gamma Emerald]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

[Frogsterking]

i think i thought that scum-firebringer could use that post as an opportunity to fake content or enter a fight with frogster, and if he wasn't using it for that, then he'd just ignore it. and the response instead feels like in-the-middle response that doesn't fit either play.

typing it out, it does feel much more shaky than it did in my head, so.

Do you think scum!firebringer would make a play like this intentionally to get town read?

considering not even i understood why i was townreading that post until 5 minutes ago... no, i don't think scum!firebringer could've analyzed my brain well enough to make that post, knowing i (or anyone else) was gonna townread it

I don't think they could have calculated it either. I think it's possible they did it in an intuitive way like I-don't-know-why-but-my-gut-tells-me-someone-might-townlean-this. My impression of fireb is that they play like that sometimes and are good at thinking like that.

[Nero Cain]

I don't understand the current dan or con world we are in, how did we get here? I don't know what the cases are on either but I think you could argue that Dann is scummier than con so....

[fireisredsir]

how did we get here?

shrimp scampi

[Gamma Emerald]

it would take a lot of time to organize all the thoughts I've had about Datisi. I don't even think it would be very useful tbh.

I'm not actually even sure my conclusion is my conclusion atp, it's just kind of what I feel in this moment after reading his read-list. I don't even really understand why I think this. I just speed skimmed his triangle and ended up with "lol dats rolled scum again"

for fire:


so I thought it didn't make a lot of sense for you to push me to sort me in this game because I don't think anyone's really caught me as scum by wagoning me.

I don't think you would think of me as a scum player who can be sorted with pressure or solved with pressure.

in fact it's almost dangerous in a way to push scum me because I am fairly decent at looking

good

and gaining thread control by getting people to vote for me I think.

and this is something you're

aware of

because you stated you didn't want to give me reasoning for the push because you are worried scum me can just judo flip you and kill you easily because ripping apart bad cases is very easy for me and people here have seen me do it as town to scum and mercilessly kill them. You would be essentially giving me the tools to kill you if I was scum with very little gain or upside for yourself. You can't get me to be yeeted without providing very solid reasoning and you don't have the reasoning or ammo to put into the push.

So why would you push me here if you suspect I'm scum? I actually kind of think you wouldn't if you thought I was scum because you simply don't have the thread influence or reasoning to make a push that is likely to kill me and if you're not likely to kill me then why do I even care? You're basically giving me free weapons and making me look better atp.

what does make sense to me is you are feeling uneasy about your solution in the Turing Test and you want to get a better read of me in that game but

you can't talk to me in that game anymore

so you decide to establish a baseline for me and compare.

How do you establish the baseline? well you push me here and see how I react to a suspicion and try to compare with when you called me scum for a brief moment in that game and see if there's any divergence.

but this method only makes sense to do if you know I'm town here and you're testing for a reaction to compare where you know my actual alignment - it doesn't help you if you

don't know my alignment in this game

because how is the comparison even supposed to work?

Another point that fit into the theory is when GuiltyLion asked you something along the lines of "hey I thought Ari was way scummier in this game than Turing LOL" and you kind of replied with a flat yea.

I feel like the way he talked with you was kind of a spontaneous happy uninformed way while your response was notably flat and felt evasive as if you wanted to hide the line of thought between those two games because you can't say to him well I was comparing her play here to that game to evaluate whether she's scum in that game because it would give away that you know what my alignment in this game is.


Anyway that was the thread that's been going through my head but I recognize it's not like very good reasoning and probably not what happened here regardless of your alignment and i'm just hoping you get to like be closer to your town game in that game and carry me to a win here because I like being carried <3

That is one hell of a theory
Do you think redfire is someone to pull that sort of cross-game gambit? I did that sort of thing sometimes before the OGI rule change, after which I’ve felt uncomfortable doing it

[Nero Cain]

i hate seafood

[fireisredsir]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

i think i have a lot of trouble not just inherently reading a lot of what you say as fake and so i think it's better for me to outsource my read on you to other people

when i read your posts i still read you as scummy but it feels kinda the same as when i did in frenemies, until i figured out you were a mason and dropped it

[scamper]

willing to bet top 5 posters has 0-1 scum

i think it is entirely within range for 4 of those people to highpost as scum

i certainly wuldnt clear me for it, at a minimum

which one should I clear?

its been a few years but in her scum games i looked at ausuka was notably lower involvement and i doubt she replicates her current volume of posting as scum (tho i townread her content as well)

i think this could be following the same trajectory as turing test here where i kinda lowkey scumread GL for most of d1 and then it gets to eod and he summarizes his reads and oops turns out we agree on almost everything maybe he's just town

can you give me like the top liner for why you're voting CMM instead of Dann? I'm considering switching but kinda want to see what Dann does on return

i trust scamper and ydra and they have CMM as a top scum and dann more towards null

to be clear on my end it is not a high confidence scum read nor is the differential so strong that i wud ordain one over the other. but i think the pressure is good.

[Gamma Emerald]

If I had to pick between Dann and Conman I'd say that Dann is scummier and it also feels like Dann has sorta disappeared? I think VP is scummy. But remember, I'm town and my reads are bad.

Why are you self-deprecating here?

[Frogsterking]

I don't understand the current dan or con world we are in, how did we get here? I don't know what the cases are on either but I think you could argue that Dann is scummier than con so....

We got here because the players with the most town cred have been dropping reads lists for the past 12 hours and a pattern emerged where no one town read Baltar, Dann or Conman. Datisi broke the pattern once by townreading Baltar and now you've broken it by townreading Conman. If another player in the town core (ydrasse, scamper, dats, ari, nero, dease, Ausuka, xoxelf) backs up your townsend of Conman then that's a signal we should look elsewhere. Xoxelf is the only player of the town core who hasn't confirmed/posted their updated reads list.

[Gamma Emerald]

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

i think i have a lot of trouble not just inherently reading a lot of what you say as fake and so i think it's better for me to outsource my read on you to other people

when i read your posts i still read you as scummy but it feels kinda the same as when i did in frenemies, until i figured out you were a mason and dropped it

Fair enough
I kinda wanna know what comes off as fake, in this game in particular I do see how I could feel that way

[Gamma Emerald]

Dannflor (5): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Ausuka, Datisi
ConManMick (4): scamper, Ydrasse, Aristeia, VP Baltar
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Gamma Emerald (3): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Nero Cain
obscure (1): Firebringer
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (2): marcistar, xofelf
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-09 23:15:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Mod notes: no weird pictures have some music

Ayo redfire, you still good w your vote?

[Frogsterking]

I don't understand the current dan or con world we are in, how did we get here? I don't know what the cases are on either but I think you could argue that Dann is scummier than con so....

We got here because the players with the most town cred have been dropping reads lists for the past 12 hours and a pattern emerged where no one town read Baltar, Dann or Conman. Datisi broke the pattern once by townreading Baltar and now you've broken it by townreading Conman. If another player in the town core (ydrasse, scamper, dats, ari, nero, dease, Ausuka, xoxelf) backs up your townsend of Conman then that's a signal we should look elsewhere. Xoxelf is the only player of the town core who hasn't confirmed/posted their updated reads list.

Dease also hasn't posted a reads list, they said they were going V/la though so I'm not really expecting one for a while.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it sexist that I think the whole scumteam might be men? #notallmen (please don't take this hashtag seriously it is a funny joke - but also I really do townread most of the female/feminine players)

Men will really be mafia instead of go to therapy

I thought nothing of it until you mentioned it?

[Nero Cain]

What if that means the "town core" is not pure town b/c they are all following the same reads?

[Gamma Emerald]

hem do you have any good opinions on me yet

i like your triangle

Why? And what do you make of the accompanying reads?

[scamper]

If I had to pick between Dann and Conman I'd say that Dann is scummier and it also feels like Dann has sorta disappeared? I think VP is scummy. But remember, I'm town and my reads are bad.

I don't understand the current dan or con world we are in, how did we get here? I don't know what the cases are on either but I think you could argue that Dann is scummier than con so....

- i didn't like cmm's intro
- his posting came across like he felt pressured to have opinions quickly but didnt have good reasons for having them

i dont think its a lockscum read but i felt like applying pressure after his start


u'll have to ask other ppl about dann i dont sr him as strongly. iirc frog and gl thought he was scummy

(also: both have only been in the game a day, i dont think the inactivity is noticeably different or likely to be ai in and of itself)

[scamper]

What if that means the "town core" is not pure town b/c they are all following the same reads?

do u want people to agree on a wagon or not