Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[VP Baltar]

Yo Wraith, how about you talk about something beside the Benmage subject....like the kunkstar7 or MoI subjects. What are your thoughts on those? Is there someone else you think is cult besides El Goo?

[hitogoroshi]

Hehe, A Game of Thrones is bloody addictive. I like the later books more, but the first was probably the hardest to put down. If you read fast enough, you'll be ready for our next game.

Yeah, first was the hardest to put down. I read that bastard in two sittings and missed quite a bit of sleep for it. Clash of Kings took a little longer, but I saw the end in sight and finished it around seven this morning. Time to read Storm of Swords for your theme game~

Yeah, AV's plan is the only true way to test that because no investigator should be bloody other than rezzers or potential murderers. We know the former and the latter aren't going to claim to be bloody. Of course, the problem is that right now Wicked is one of the best people to grave rob and therefore wouldn't have an action available to launder. We could replace him in the grave robbing with another pro-town person or put me back in there, but that is theoretically riskier for the town.

Wicked can do one grave rob and launder. It seems to be that the townie looking people we're choosing to grave rob would be better off doing one rob and an action, while the people we're relegating to bouncing graves because they look scummy should do double. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Triglav]

Why do other heads not do enough of posting duty?

Suspect it is realization of ultimate awesomeness of this head.

To battle!

@MoI case

- still pretty dinky-doo on this one. Oooh, he pressed for furc lynch. Meh, feel a loathing of herpy-da-derpy VI players is pretty ingrained in MoI and colored opinion there.
Also, feel that other more generally scummy people also pushed furc so why not focus on them first?
Not impressed by quote of page count either. 21 pages or whatever it was - in this game that could be a day and a half.
Pfft.
Most of other stuff feels sorta okay, but doesn't feel like runaway case.

@Benmage wagon

Derpy-da-derpy-doo. Seriously?
Triglav demands reasoning of him being scum or officially hates you all.
Will have certificates made up.
AV is the only one who seems to be on the wagon for intelligent reasons.
And we don't think they're that intelligent.
Less tinfoil hates would be tech. Yes.

@El Gooski thing

- previous opinions hold.

@desire for Baby Spice wagon

- Remember yesterday when everyone and their grandmammies commented about how scummy she was?
Good times.
Good times.

@hito

- agree with thought of grave rob double dip only for scummy seeming slimeballs. In addition to alliterative action it also hurts town less.

If Plum is town how come she is voting Wraith? Is Wraith scum and Triglav missed the memo? Triglav is horribly lost in a miasma of lostness.

@Plum

^^^ address please

[VP Baltar]

Wicked can do one grave rob and launder. It seems to be that the townie looking people we're choosing to grave rob would be better off doing one rob and an action, while the people we're relegating to bouncing graves because they look scummy should do double. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah, that was one option that had occurred to me as well...only downside is spreading insanities around too much, but that's not a huge deal this early in the game. So going back to my other list we could do something like:

RC = Furc, [kunkstar7, MoI, El Goo, Wraith, Benmage, etc.]
Fate = VP, Baby Spice
LB = Wicked, Baby Spice
Lynchee = Hito, [kunkstar7, MoI, El Goo, Wraith, Benmage, etc.]

or however we decide to do it.

[Seacore]

I would like El Goo to answer to our concerns, but assuming the answers aren't lynch worthy, I'd be happy with the plan to give wicked one grave to rob and the coin toss on laundering.
Of course, if they're both scum, we're screwed, but that seems likely.
Also, that won't clear El Goo, but it will decrease the liklihood, and that'll be enough for me.

[Benmage]

Busy weekend sorry guys ill be back in here soon.

[Seacore]

RC = Furc, [kunkstar7, MoI, El Goo, Wraith, Benmage, etc.]
Fate = VP, Baby Spice
LB = Wicked, Baby Spice
Lynchee = Hito, [kunkstar7, MoI, El Goo, Wraith, Benmage, etc.]

or however we decide to do it.

I approve of this, as long as it's recognised that Benmage has stated he will not rob two graves, and that i've stated that I don't believe Benmage can be swayed by threats.

[El Goosuki]

Relax. El Goosuki likes be Invetigator and will keep it that way.

-DGB

[AurorusVox]

Oh, now I remember why I never got far asking El G questions before...

EL G

: what excuse do you have for taking an action that was described as useless in a post that you yourself acknowledged that you had read?

[El Goosuki]

The pathetic answer to that question is "embarassing stupidity x 3."

-DGB

[SpyreX]

2. Sure, we can plan out some Murders. I'd say we start with someone we're decently comfortable with; he/she popcorns to someone he's comfortable with, we get about - four? five? no more, as you-ll see below - players together. If you're chosen you have to play, I think - and there's the tricky part, making sure everyone is okay enough with this that there'll be sufficient pressure to follow through. Then each player in turn posts three players they're interested in Stalking. Then everyone who has Forensic Tools is ordered to use them on the pool of potential Stalkees. This will make it harder for Cult to successfully use Resuscitation against the eventual Murders. When Night comes, Stalkers stalk one player from their list, chosen at random (hopefully this will minimize chances of too many overlapping Stalk/Murder actions while keeping Cult from knowing who will be targeted and whether they can combat it with Ward while also ensuring decent chances that there are as many extra Murders as chosen players and we can start clearing.

Wouldn't putting the tools in require a huge amount of coordination? And, just to make sure I have it right, they'd have to use it on the night of the stalks?

This is a more refined version of what I was thinking about earlier. However, when I was thinking about it before AND now unless I'm missing something good there are two major concerns that could screw it up that I see:

1.) The worst case scenario (all kills go through on town) sets up for a bad, bad world. Not only is the cult way closer, BUT I'll freely admit if I was picked and I saw every directed murder go through I'd be really, really tempted to jump ship and go murderer (especially if there was any non-sanctioned murders) because at that point its a screw sandwich.

2.) The flipside (and I'm pretty sure considering when I was fumbling earlier no one really talked about it here it was being talked about ELSEWHERE) is that they "waste" some wards to setup a cluster of people being alive and that both putting the killer AND the target in a position of severe doubt.

The minor concern (people not feeling 'pressured' to follow through with the plan) is easy enough. Los ropos por favor.

But, I need some help with the above. There HAS to be a way to utilize the murdering on both sides (dead jerks + 'clear' town) but I can't get it. I've been toying with the flipside (two people that I feel really confident about targeting a small group until they're all dead but that still has ward issues) HELP.

Am curious why ElG apparently didn't read my guide. The idea behind posting a picture in the thread and making it stupidly obvious that a guide is here is so we can avoid the WIFOM game of "oh, I just didn't notice x". This would appear at first glance to be one of those, but do scum really get a large benefit by lying about an investigate? Or is this more likely to be a legit mistake? I'll need to think on it.

But, that's the crux. She DID. And then didn't?

Random thought for everyone: let's say you knew you were the target of Benmage's stalk. What would be your reaction?

I wouldn't be surprised. I'd be pissed because its a continuation of the failure that was yesterday. However, even if he went through with it there'd be some good to shake out in the "well we get a confirmed town right (I AM TALKING ABOUT YOU AV) if SpyreX dies" so.

Maybe you and Seacore are scum together ^^
Or maybe you only sheep scum for bussing.
Or maybe you sheep erratically to defend against the accusations of sheeping.

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Or maybe you're selective in it because you're town and you only like sheeping when you see a good case.

I don't think I've ever said sheeping was a scumtell...I said that you seemed to try to hide the fact that you were voting without adding anything. Oh - kind of like what you did with RC! Which was pointed out! Which --- you've tried to avoid being accused of!! Dun dun dunn.

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I also asked you a couple of direct questions. Answers plox.

Ding ding we have a winner. Still playing it both sides is awesome though. "I'm just saying you're sheeping not that its scummy because its IMPORTANT business to talk about it if it means nothing but I don't think your scum unless I do"

And, Jesus H if by "sheep" you mean "Someone puts together a case you agree with so you vote it" meaning "You put in no thought when you put your vote" I swear to everything holy.

And, what questions? I'll go through and answer the 'questions' I didn't:

How was I supposed to know that you were planning it when you kept quiet about it?

Ohh, I don't know, maybe going "Hmm, why is SpyreX asking for a specific answer from El Gooski?" instead of feeding it in. Which leads to this:

How is that not sheeping? You didn't even follow up with your epic plan to entrap El G, you just started shouting that you had one. What was it? Why can't you do it now?

I'm not addressing the sheeping part because good lord. As for the 'trap':

ElG says RC clearly laid out xvart being scum because he compiled the list and didn't add his or, more precisely 'waited forever' (Which, of course, doesn't become a telling point until after critical mass has been reached and the initial response was 'so what'.) AND, and this is important, cited the alphabetical list and "B-X are far away from each other and that's because they're scum together"

So, I said go read the ISO and come back because I wanted to see if El G would address 1.) the fact that it was alphabetical and that theory was raw madness, 2.) the fact that in Reapers "when I die /wrists" he doesn't even mention EITHER xvart or babyspice and 3.) how much everything changed as a function of being run up.

Of COURSE, #2 was a huge one. That 'smoking gun' on xvart was a last ditch save self effort and should, if ISO-read be a giant flag and not a ohh look TOWN YO.

Unless you're trying to save a partner.

And, of course, you come in and not only screw that up ONCE but lead RC in the "is this what you mean *nudge nudge*. And when it pisses me off say "ITS MY SHOW WITH LOTS OF QUESTIONS OHH WAIT THATS THE ONLY ONE"

So, it was done for then.

But, that's not the question you actually want answered mr coy:

You said if El G is scum, then I definitely am. What makes you think this?

Hint 1: RC is scum.

Hint 2: El G is scum.

Hint 3:

SO, the only AV - Reaper I see is a tinfoil AV - Reaper - El Gooski chain of love with him coming in and ruining where I was going.

Spyrex and AV need to exit the vortex of tunnelling. You're both ceasing to contribute meaningfully to the thread and we don't need that. What do you think of MoI and the case I spent my entire Saturday afternoon working on?

I'm intrigued and like I said watching MoI come out swinging from the gates really raises an eye but I've got a hard time stomaching it being cult.

On the flipside, what about my newsletter. Its not TUNNELING its just that no one else SEES IT and I haven't seen anyone with a hammer to club me with some kind of powertownTM I could be missing.

I mean:

The pathetic answer to that question is "embarassing stupidity x 3."

-DGB

[Baby Spice]

I'm lost.

Well, not quite. I've been looking at wagons and iso's and vote charts and that's probably why I'm lost.

El G. Now that the game is over I can say that DGB and I were briefly masons, and She was the same there as here. I don't know how that applies to the other two heads though. That's what throws me. f the other two heads are like/similar to DGB then it's kind of kosher. If not, then it's hinky. Are the other two heads similar in play to DGB? Are they prone to the disinterest, the "Just tell me what to do" that seems to catagorise El G at the moment?
For that matter the latest couple of posts sounds like someone has gotten interested in the game

Xvart. One of my D1 suspects. The main culty one. The fact that he has two night actions that make me go huh is still bothering me. But apart from thatI think he's a good solid townie. There's nothing apart from those actions that makes me suspicious. I'm not even going to role out that old "Too town to be town" chestnut.

Benmage. I doubt that he's cult. if he was we'd hear the other cultists screaming at him. Seriously, sillybugger targeting murderer is more likely than bencult. Not going to call him town though.

Side thought. What if we sanction Furcolow to stalk Ben. If we don't like Ben's target or if he plays sillybuggers again then Furcolow can have that vig shot he so desperately wanted in SA2 and we save a lynching for a cult suspect.

Which brings me to MoI.
There's a couple of places where moI presents possible cult actions or motivations, and he presents suboptimal ones, and no he goes on to display a good working knowledge of the rules so I don't think it;s an error.
I'm also don't like how long he took the furchate based on a targetinng thing. I took it a ways based on Furc's subsequent actions, not on something as simple as targeting Drippereth.
Sidenote 2: Wickedest. How much of your scum/town list is the inverse of Furchate? First blush it's seems to co-incide a bit.

Want to look at more people before commenting more.

Ongoing time issues slowing me up though, but I'll say this right now. I hate cases based on meta when I hardly know anybody here

[Triglav]

Head #5,481,930 to action!!!!!

#2111 is loltacular BS. Wanna play more and middle less?

Cool stuffs.

@Benmage wagon

Derpy-da-derpy-doo. Seriously?
Triglav demands reasoning of him being scum or officially hates you all.
Will have certificates made up.
AV is the only one who seems to be on the wagon for intelligent reasons.
And we don't think they're that intelligent.
Less tinfoil hates would be tech. Yes.

I'MMA FIRIN' up mah printin' press.

Srsly.

Guys, this is srs bznz.

AV - Address immediately or fear the wrath of all 5,481,929 heads before me as I bring an army to your country of residence. We will have a murder of crows with us. But in all seriousness, "OMG HE MIGHT GO MURDERER" is bullshit, considering you

actually

have to worry about someone going that path (hint hint - NOT BENMAGE).

Case it or replace it.

Ooh that's catchy. I'd use it on my main if I had one/wouldn't reveal myself :O

[AurorusVox]

@Triglav - I think I'm the only person in the whole game who still thinks Benmage is cult, so "OMG HE MIGHT GO MURDERER" being bullshit isn't really something to ask me to respond to. If he is an investigator, I don't think he'll get very far as murderer if we can shut him down effectively, and I'd recommend lynching him on D5 if he makes it that far just in case. I've said multiple times why I think he's cult but I must just be crazy since I'm 1/25 that think so.

Vote: El G

for reasons I've stated yesterday + the silly night action fiasco. I'll look at MoI more once he's answered my question.

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@SpyreX - Agreeing with people is not suspicious. What is suspicious is that you were actively trying to avoid accusations of sheeping by putting that 0% comment which had no bearing on your vote. You were padding out the sheeping because you'd been called out on it. You can continue to misinterpret me if you want.

I went back to look at this trap you'd laid for El G. I didn't realise "Et Tu, Gooski?" (which is ALL you'd said to El G prior to me asking my question) was a signed affidavit for you to pursue him on your own, all by yourself. Not to mention, the context of your question was "why is xvart scummy?" which he'd already answered (albeit badly). OTOH, my question was aimed at RC because he (a) Said BabySpice was scum, (b) Said xvart was scum, and (c) did not seem to support the fact that they scum-shared claimed partners. I wanted him to say "YES" or "NO" because he would expose his inconsistency. I don't see what the hell that had to do with your "case" against El G.

[Nicodemus]

I definitely understand the El Goosuki

case

.

Oh yeah?

You should at least be able to point out where you've seen this

case

, I've scanned the past 8 pages and I failed to find it.

Since you say you agree with it, you should be able to refer me to it, right?

-DGB

Here it is:

During Day 1, El Goosuki posted this.

El Goosuki sends all his/her love to hitogoroshi for his guide to Investigators and baby Cthulhu picnic picture.

During N1, El Goosuki claims to have ignored this much loved guide and wasted a night action.

Vote: El Goosuki

Will look at the kunk and MoI cases later today. Initial reads right now give kunk a better chance of scum than MoI, but we'll see.

[VP Baltar]

The pathetic answer to that question is "embarassing stupidity x 3."

-DGB

Sigh. So we're expected to just let all of this pass as stupidity. Are any of the three of you caught up at this point?

[MagnaofIllusion]

MoI, do you feel this is a fair characterization? I mean, it doesn't take much to understand Furc's play, so I'd like to know if you feel like you do understand what his style is?

I address this later on with VV but I’ll say it here.

This is an absolutely correct assessment of my perception. Furc is a VI and I don’t think I obscured my view on Day 1.

When he’s Town he’s not going to be a net benefit in scum-hunting. When he’s scum he’s going to slide by on his VI playstyle which people will defend. In either case he’s an anchor chained solidly to Town’s chances at victory. The longer he lasts in a game this size the more he drags it down to Hell.

Look at his ISO for Days 1 and 2 and honestly ask yourself if you disagreed. A short list of reasons why my opinion hasn’t changed –

1. Didn’t bother to actually think about his N0 action.
2. Constantly changing opinion – Fate is Town, Fate is Cult, Fate is Town.
3. Lack of reliable scum-hunting. His opinions on who is Cult generally revolve around whoever challenges his play or opinions.

I could go on to demonstrate numerous radical changes of opinion on all sorts of matters. And he’s pretty much called half the playerlist scum at one point or another.

Were this a 12 person game I wouldn’t have bothered going after him early. There is little room for error in that environment. In large games Town has significantly more wiggle room. Especially since we know there is only one Cult faction and N1 has given strong evidence that the Murderer route has been discounted as opposed to SAII (1 murder N1 as opposed to 4).

1) The ungodly tunnel on Furc like it was his day job.

I think I’ve clearly indicated above my opinion on Furc. If you want to call what is in effect a Policy push on an absolutely useless player (IMO) scummy that’s your call. Given the end of Clash of Kings I know that you know exactly why I don’t want VI players around at endgame. The fact that you are specifically going out of your way to ignore your direct knowledge gives me pause.

3) RC wagon rolls up at the end of the day and MoI is an eager beaver to jump on that. We get a fancy pants iso of RC in 1171. I don't know, but I always find these post by post isos to be kind of scummy because people seem to rarely ever give the person a fair shake when doing them. I mean, seriously go back and read MoI's PBPA of RC. Essentially 90 percent of RCs posts are called scummy or fluff. I find this quite over the top by any measure. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and RC will flip scum, but I just find this kind of rhetoric excessive and unlikely to come from town. That of course, is sort of ironic, since Magna seems fond of attacking RC, Vas and others for their rhetorical statements. Now before Magna comes in and says 'ZOMG VAS DID IT TO ME TOOOOO,' yes I realize he did. I think he was being over the top as well, but I also feel like you were winding him up with your antagonism from his original points on you. I still find it scummy regardless, but yours on RC is worse because nothing provoked it other than you trying to trump up your vote.

This whole point is carefully fabricated bullshit. Had you read my ISO you would have seen my questions and criticisms of RC’s play throughout the Day BEFORE the RC wagon formed. Since you didn’t here are the ISOs for you (8,17,18 ). Yet somehow you are attempting to portray my suspicion of RC as fabricated out of mid-air. Both incorrect and scumtastic.

I also love that point 2 and 4 (which I’m not bothering to address directly as they say basically ‘VP’s opinion of this is scummy’, which I disagree with) amount to ‘I’m not scum-hunting’ yet when I put together a case on RC it’s scummy. Lovely. Decide which direction you want to push VP.

MoI - do you think Benmage is more likely cult or investigator?

At this point I’m undecided. Asking me yesterday before Night and I would have said most likely Investigator. I can see his personal grudge with Fate overriding any Town sense he had. When he didn’t follow through and kill the rendered useless Fate last night and ‘prove’ his Town cred it shoved me back into the ‘Benmage is Unknown’ category, especially in light of his epic backtrack on his reasoning for stalking in the first place. The fact that he didn’t follow through gives me pause to consider he might be cult playing a very ballys / stupid gambit. He has managed to basically derail the conversation each day with his declarations. The longer this cluster-f with him goes the more I question him as investigator. Fate’s flip will also help shape my opinion. Benmage being Investigator would be more or less solidified if Fate flips Cult.

This is just all kinds of weak sauce. You've played with me and you've played with Zach we are two quite different styles of player so even in a hydra the posting styles are going to be different. I have signed all of my posts bar a couple where I forgot, OJ has signed all her posts it doesn't take a math wiz to realize who made the others. You don't explain why it is odd and seem to be suggesting it was scummy (or else why bother bringing it up?) It just feels like a weak attempt at mud slinging.

Right back at you Sotty. Your entire argument as to why I’m scum is ‘gut’ and filled with no support – weak sauce as you say. I don’t like the direction your arguments have taken because they very much remind me of your Newbie scum game. Your statement above is further indicative. Lots of backhanded insults (re knowing who posted) and accusations – very disproporatiate to the attention I’ve give you. So, yeah, chalk me up for a similar ‘gut’ scum-read on you.

The fact that you don't bother to do anything case wise but latch on with a "I love VP's case" when one is posted strengthens my suspicions.

MoI is my number one suspicion at the moment, every post is so illogical.

Here’s a clue Ben – disagreeing with your play isn’t bad logic. Sorry to burst your bubble but it isn’t. Care to provide quotes of my ‘illogical’ posts as opposed to making unsubstantiated accusations as usual?

I like tnm's last post. When I am at a computer I will explain why I also find kunk likely scum.

Of course you like TNM’s post he agrees with your position

I’m waiting for any sort of scum-hunting and explanation why any of your ‘candidates’ are scum. How about it? You know, actually scum-hunting as opposed to calling those who don’t follow your anti-Town play blindly scum.

No claims here. I want you dead now though, so that I don't have to get your scummy blood in mah clothes.

Actually you want me dead because I hurt your pride. That’s ok. I accept you can’t disconnect your personal pride from logically assessing the game.

VOTE MAGNA. FOR GREATER JUSTICE. (And then we can get rid of Kunkscum right after, ohh yeaahh.)

Ah, another batch of Appealing to Repeition, rhetoric, and an added dash of stupid internet meme. Good times.

That was not the case, I had a full blown case revealing that MoI's INTENTIONS in thread are scummy in nature, and that was me attempting to convince people and my interpretations that his attacks on Furcolow are fail attempts to look like he's scumhunting when he is not(because he's scum etc.).

So you are back to ‘intentions’ again, which you abandoned the first time for ‘He’s scum because he’s not showing scum-tells’ at the end of Day 1. Yawn. When you have something noteworthly let me know.

That quote is, I admit, rhetoric.

You have to admit it. It’s all you do …

Nice try scum. Kunkstar lynch after we are done with MoI, k.

Nice … lining up lynches. Either classic scum play or more example of fail-Town VV traditional play.

MoI has a lot of experience with Furc. He knows that Furc is a derpy player. However he is incessant in his attacks despite knowledge of Furc's play. He didn't even attempt to figure out Furc's alignment and just kept calling him scum for shits and giggles. I found the bullshit in his attacks.

Add that he cares more about his own image than figuring other people out = MoI is SCUM SCUM SCUM.

I do know Furc is a derpy players. Which is why he needs to be eliminated. Allowing VI’s into endgame situations is VERY STUPID Town play in a large game. It allows, I don’t know, Mafia in a horrible PoE situation to go on to win when they have no rights to do so (see Clash of Kings as a perfect example).

Furc is not going to win this game for Town. The Cult are not going to kill him because he’s derpy. Call it a Policy lynch if you wish. This early in the game it’s better to eliminate the landmines when Town has breathing room than later when it cost Town the game.

And look, yet more rhetoric.

PS. Why are there so many votes on Fate's dispatch? Aren't we minimizing the body count to prevent Cult getting dust? I thought this has already been discussed.

Slight FOS on everyone at the wagon. THERE BE SCUMZ THERE TOO. (Specifically MoI but you get the drill.)

Look, I’m so Town it hurts. I’m very worried about Corpse Dust because it would make 1 kill by the Cult more successful despite the fact that we have SO MANY PLAYERS all Town can’t possibly be adequately protected anyway.

Here VV is churning desperately for Town cred. Scumtastic.

VOTE: VV

Because I can.

[Vi]

Vote Count

*whisper whisper*

El Goosuki - 7

(Seacore, SpyreX, kunkstar7, Wraith, xvart, Nicodemus, AurorusVox)

MagnaofIllusion - 6

(Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, VasudeVa, hitogoroshi, Furcolow)

Wraith - 2

(Plum, manho)

kunkstar7 - 2

(totallynotmafia, Wickedestjr)

Benmage - 1

(

AurorusVox, Furcolow,

Furpants_Tom)

Furpants_Tom - 1

(nopointinactingup)

Baby Spice - 1

(Triglav)

VasudeVa - 1

(MagnaofIllusion)

Not Voting - 4 (Andrius, Baby Spice, El Goosuki, Feysal,

hitogoroshi, MagnaofIllusion

)

Fate

is currently

Soulless

. The following

9

players wish to

Dispatch Fate

: (VP Baltar, kunkstar7, MagnaofIllusion, Seacore, nopointinactingup, Trilobite, manho, Wickedestjr, Baby Spice)

Activity check tomorrow (for real).

The deadline for

Day 2

is 10:30am, Wednesday November 24th default site time.

With 25 alive, 13 votes secures a Lynch/Dispatch.

[Trilobite]

This is just all kinds of weak sauce. You've played with me and you've played with Zach we are two quite different styles of player so even in a hydra the posting styles are going to be different. I have signed all of my posts bar a couple where I forgot, OJ has signed all her posts it doesn't take a math wiz to realize who made the others. You don't explain why it is odd and seem to be suggesting it was scummy (or else why bother bringing it up?) It just feels like a weak attempt at mud slinging.

Right back at you Sotty. Your entire argument as to why I’m scum is ‘gut’ and filled with no support – weak sauce as you say. I don’t like the direction your arguments have taken because they very much remind me of your Newbie scum game. Your statement above is further indicative. Lots of backhanded insults (re knowing who posted) and accusations – very disproporatiate to the attention I’ve give you. So, yeah, chalk me up for a similar ‘gut’ scum-read on you.

The fact that you don't bother to do anything case wise but latch on with a "I love VP's case" when one is posted strengthens my suspicions.

Poor meta argument is poor. Clearly you are trying to make an issue of the fact that I (Zach) don't sign my posts to pad a case you don't actually have. (Further padded by attempting to vaguely link Sotty's posting meta to a newbie game scum game she played a while back.)

[Wraith]

Leaning more to Magna-Town ATM. We'll see. Also

Dispatch: Fate

[VasudeVa]

HAHAHAH. Yeaahh, good luck with that MoI. Calling me subpar and whatever pocket insults you may come up is failing to cover up your scummy flailing.

So you are back to ‘intentions’ again, which you abandoned the first time for ‘He’s scum because he’s not showing scum-tells’ at the end of Day 1. Yawn. When you have something noteworthly let me know.

I didn't even abandon that. I had my interpretations, you had your explanation. Your explanation fails. End discussion.

Nice … lining up lynches. Either classic scum play or more example of fail-Town VV traditional play.

Soo, we have pocket insults. And lookie here! Pocket scumtells! WOAH.

You didn't even bother reading up on my accusations on kunkstar a few posts below the quoted. (My memory is a little fuuzzy here, but bla di bla, kunkscum is individually scummy anyway.)

Kunkstar defended your scummy little arse claiming that he understood the case in context. However, his defense was not indicative of someone who understood the case in context.

After your cult flip, guess who's going down? It's pretty natural to line up this lynch, really.

I do know Furc is a derpy players. Which is why he needs to be eliminated. Allowing VI’s into endgame situations is VERY STUPID Town play in a large game. It allows, I don’t know, Mafia in a horrible PoE situation to go on to win when they have no rights to do so (see Clash of Kings as a perfect example).

Furc is not going to win this game for Town. The Cult are not going to kill him because he’s derpy. Call it a Policy lynch if you wish. This early in the game it’s better to eliminate the landmines when Town has breathing room than later when it cost Town the game.

And look, yet more rhetoric.

Yawn. I use rhetoric, sure I do! I mean, we have to convince people right? Stating analysis is boring, and people don't read analysis. I had a case on you because your pushing for Furc is horribad plus other stuff.

Maybe you're right. Furc won't win for the Town. Because nobody wins for the Town

alone

. But he can help the Town because he is the closest thing we have to a confirmed investigator.

I understand that some players view Furc as a D1 policy lynch on sight kind of player. However, your attacks on Furc were still horrible(Seriously, timestamps? WTF was up with that?), AND you weren't even attempting to figure his alignment out like a Townie would. Plus, agreeing with AV on Furc...then voting AV later? That's just not a naturally townie thought process, nope.

Juuust horrible. But not as horrible as your current attack on me. Tsk tsk.

Look, I’m so Town it hurts. I’m very worried about Corpse Dust because it would make 1 kill by the Cult more successful despite the fact that we have SO MANY PLAYERS all Town can’t possibly be adequately protected anyway.

Here VV is churning desperately for Town cred. Scumtastic.

VOTE: VV

Because I can.

What a horrible accusation. I expected more from you, tsk tsk. Apparently, questioning a useless dispatch wagon that is possibly cult-driven because it can help them gather corpse dust is a plea for Town cred. Moreover, suspecting said wagon is what people SHOULD be doing.

We don't need a Fate flip yet. The Fate flip can wait. Fate didn't have a wagon on him and nor anyhing juicy we can analyze. Plus he was pretty damn Town. Why are we hurrying up to dispatch him? It can wait when the body count is low.

And look! A vote! WOW. MoI is "SCUMHUNTING". He's voting for someone who isn't suspected by anyone!

Good luck with that smear campaign MoI! For someone who looks down on me, you suuure are taking great lengths to try and discredit me.

[Wraith]

Just make him a dead body. What's the harm of it?

[El Goosuki]

Worse than us, which is no small challenge:

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

[VasudeVa]

3 corpses is 1 less than 4 corpses. That's a 25% decrease of corpses that cult could use to get dust!

WHAT AN AMAZING OFFER. UNDISPATCH NOW!

[AurorusVox]

El G: what is the scummiest thing that MoI has done and why?
MoI: what's your position on letting Benmage kill tonight and why?