Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Cutty Shark]

That would mean at least two players who are neither mafia nor town in the game, though

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'd say an SK is non-neutral because his wincon would typically involve the other factions being dead.

[Cutty Shark]

That's probably true; I've never had to think about what 'neutral' would mean other than 'modkilled neutral survivor'

-b

[Lissa]

sorry, I'm slow.

Hm, you're right lissa. I think there is some lack of parity between implied flavor of kills from the PM and flavor of kills from kill descriptions. Unless the flavor is different for a different member of that faction?

Seems like it.
That's possible. Difficult to tell with one scum flip.

I am really surprised a killing third party would exist in a game where we can allegedly win with 'neutrals', depends on definition on neutral I guess

I kinda feel like we're getting nowhere definitive with this

-b

That is sort of weird.

This page makes me think 'Anatole as wizard SK who can do mind control' is a distinct possibility.

Do you think I would introduce mind control as a possibility if I was the one doing it?

Good point... though there is certainly some WIFOM possibility there.

"Arrange to be taken out of commission for a while' could totally fit the IHNC kill.

We can't win with 'neutrals' though. Town WC is all mafia and neutrals dead.

good point.
I'm a little baffled here as to what faction killed who. It's really hard to tell because yeah, honey bee's listed factional kill flavor could kind of fit either kill.
And do we even know for sure that we HAVE a second faction/third party killer and not a vig?

I doubt a SK would be considered "neutral." It's an anti-town third. Survivor, for example, would be "neutral."

[The Fonz]

Neutral typically means 'win condition not directly incompatible with either the mafia or town WC.'

[The Fonz]

This page makes me think 'Anatole as wizard SK who can do mind control' is a distinct possibility.

Do you think I would introduce mind control as a possibility if I was the one doing it?

Sure, except you didn't, I did.

[Cutty Shark]

Yeah. SK def doesn't fit under that; kill flavor kind of does imply SK on FT though

-b

[Cutty Shark]

I could buy one of the informed roles (5-off, Oka) being third-party of some kind

But this is all just spitballing

-b

[Lissa]

This page makes me think 'Anatole as wizard SK who can do mind control' is a distinct possibility.

Do you think I would introduce mind control as a possibility if I was the one doing it?

Sure, except you didn't, I did.

oh.
Good point.

Yeah. SK def doesn't fit under that; kill flavor kind of does imply SK on FT though

-b

Yeah that would fit...
I'm still unsure though. The kill flavor isn't exactly all-telling.

I could buy one of the informed roles (5-off, Oka) being third-party of some kind

But this is all just spitballing

-b

I suggested 5-off might be a neutral third waaay back and I think Baboon agreed it was a plausible theory.
It's very possible 5-off or OkaPoka is just that.

[Nashville Dreams]

And we know that Nashville targeted them, so I want to know exactly what they did

-b

We watched Fonz try to contact Tammy. Our PM says she was in a hurry and someone was trying to flag her down. She almost runs them over.

Then we wake up in our bed. We have no knowledge of what happened in the middle.

Any further I should run by Mala first but I have left crumbs.

[The Fonz]

BTW - if we manage to get through today without outing the remaining roles, massclaim should happen tomorrow.

[The Fonz]

'Almost run over' also happened to me - that's what I was referring to when I said GW was driving as if I weren't there.

[Cutty Shark]

Nashville did you target F-16 (and let's refer to the slot as such from now on) or did you target someone else?

-b

[Cutty Shark]

'Almost run over' also happened to me - that's what I was referring to when I said GW was driving as if I weren't there.

I don't think it's an also I think you're describing the same event from different POVs

-b

[The Fonz]

Nah. I didn't try to flag down the car. That appears to be someone else/happens later.

[The Fonz]

Which suggests that half the game tried to target GW

[Nashville Dreams]

Nashville did you target F-16 (and let's refer to the slot as such from now on) or did you target someone else?

-b

We targeted F16. We happened to see Fonz presumably. His name is not mentioned.

[The Fonz]

Ah, OK. Then we are describing the same encounter.

[Nashville Dreams]

Nah. I didn't try to flag down the car. That appears to be someone else/happens later.

Thr implication was you were trying to reach F16 and they ignored you and almost ran you over. It was not someone flagging.

Can you clarify the under yhe influence point?

[Nashville Dreams]

Ah, OK. Then we are describing the same encounter.

We are. Otherwise I would not have jumped in.

[The Fonz]

Nah. I didn't try to flag down the car. That appears to be someone else/happens later.

Thr implication was you were trying to reach F16 and they ignored you and almost ran you over. It was not someone flagging.

Can you clarify the under yhe influence point?

I tried to communicate with them prior to them getting in the car in a manner that, if someone in every day life did it, would be literally impossible to ignore. Then the nearly running me over thing.

[Cutty Shark]

I almost want to say 'fuck it, massclaim' right now

mainly because i need the following answered:

1) what was F-16 doing last night
2) why might he have been drugged or whatever
3) who can corroborate AK's claim?
4) who can interact with us? I have reason to believe someone can

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

Does nobody else have any mention whatsoever of items in their PM?

[Lissa]

Does nobody else have any mention whatsoever of items in their PM?

My PM does not mention items. If that wasn't already clear.

[The Fonz]

Nor mine.

(I thought the items thing might be a stall for time on Anatole's part, but it's hard to see why he'd be inviting everyone else to confirm his 'PM' sticks out like a sore thumb if he were faking it).