Mini 1643: World of Mafiacraft (End)

[ika]

fuzzy: kiwi, AP
orginz: mathblade
shos: troubled town, titus, orginz
TT: shos

T2: titus, kiwi, orgins, AP
T3: mathblade

[Ozgin]

These are my reads of the remaining players (excluding myself) as far as I know. I have no clue what's going on with piratemollie, if her slot is dead or replacing or what.

So in order of Townie-est to least townie-est

TroubledTownie - I think is almost 100% town. Active scumhunting, never has really given me a reason to read him as scum, always provides decent points to his arguments, etc. I agree a lot with his arguments against shos.

MathBlade - Until recently I've been 100% convinced she was scum, but I relate so strongly with her post about being fed up with this game and not making progress, it feels a lot like the same frustration I'm feeling as a town.

AP - Lean town, recent posts have led me to believe that they weren't necessarily lurking, just thrown off by the nature of the game and probably with some R/L distractions making strong play hard. I'm leaning town because of these latest few (fairly decent) posts.

TFL - I'm pretty null with TFL, and that makes me a little bit wary. I haven't interacted enough with TFL, and now I feel like they're lurking at this point and it's making me doubt them even more.

Titus - Lean scum. Something in my gut is making me want to feel like Titus' directing of mine and kiwi's fights are a little bit controlling, and perhaps Titus is masterminding a scum directive to run a mislynch on shos (or a good lynch on shos to secure trust in the remaining players). While I think shos is pretty scummy, I also think the way Titus is interacting with kiwi and I is a little bit like a scum manning the helm of this sinking ship.

kiwi - Somewhere between scum and lean scum. I really am having a hard time letting go of our past disputes, especially because I feel like every engagement with kiwieagle leads to an explosion of emotions (particularly anger) and it's a pretty good way to turn an argument into something really confusing and hard to read.

shos - Scum. I think TT literally hit the nail on the head with points against shos, and I agree that his posts are shallow and his arguments don't make much sense. shos seems to be responding to points with either "meh, whatevs" sort of posts, or by just raising a different argument against his accuser (primarily TT), but never really dispelling or shutting down standing arguments against him.

And the way that I've made these reads in my head (I'm at school and don't have time to comb the ISOs for examples), it's a readlist such that if I'm dead wrong about shos, if he's lynched and pops up town, then my reads will completely flip upside-down and that list would then be ordered scummiest to least scummy, because my reads are centralized around the conflict observed between TT and shos, and the middle stuff is more or less gut. TFL is null and will be that way until I get more content (or read ISOs). kiwi and Math will probably interchange on that list too if I'm wrong. The only person who I think would stay leaning town would be AP, but likewise I think Titus will stay leaning scum.

[TroubledTownie]

The useof "have to" and "resort" in both your posts is main cause. You're aaying "i dont qant to, but i have no choice"

[TroubledTownie]

You said I was scummy for pushing for a policy lynch, but I was explicitly speaking out against one.

You did? Because I remember you pressuring mollie over... policy an awful lot.

I pressured mollie to contribute and stop with the 'I'm not engaged' 'This is taking forever' 'I'm getting wrinkles' kinds of posts.

[TroubledTownie]

you kept nullifying that vote becaise it was just sheeping. Well, sprry to be rhe one to break it for you but, if I vote scum, it dpea not matter why I vpte scum.

Where is your scumhunting un the rest of the players? Who aee scum "with" me and mollie?

Yes, it does matter why you vote scum. If all you do for the whole game is sheep one player, then you're not being a good townie.

Where did I say mollie was scum? Can you make a single post without misrepping me?

[TroubledTownie]

I'm not really sure what you mean by your last question.

I ask what other scumreada you have, which do not have the same argument for them as for mollie and me.

E.g.
X is scum because post Y has acum intentions, i do not find this sincere, contradicta self in poay Z, etc. Like ACTUAL scumhunting, and not shallow shit like you throw on me.

Lol, this is choice.

I've explained my scum reads multiple times, you and Math are the leading contenders.

Ironic that when I asked you to explain your naked reads, you respond with "not going to go through the entire game for you. Mescuzzy"

[Titus]

Ok, we have 4 on T2. Tier 2 should claim.

@Ozgin, I'm trying to make sure my townreads stop voting each other. That's pretty fucking transparent.

@Kiwi, I'm waiting for your shos vote. While I am aware of the possibility TFL is scum, there's a decent chance of him being replaced. Come do something.

@AngryPidgeon, please fucking vote. No more words without taking a stand.

[TroubledTownie]

1) I did explain the misrep. I was brief about it and did not wall.
2) Go look at shos's posts if you need them.
3) You can still push exclusively while lynch shopping. It is called attempting to dominate the thread with talk of said person while also asking certain types of questions when doing so at the expense of any conversation you don't want being shut down.

1) No you didn't, you just called it a misrep.
2) Lol. I've quoted his posts, and you've ignored them.
3) Oh, I see. Exclusively and non-exclusively together.

[Titus]

@Mathblade, stop pushing Ozgin. That lynch isn't happening. You saw a non-slip and now you are confbiasing everything. Knock it off. You want me to respect your reads, vote out the scums based on something more than a slip and disagreement. Find me logical inconsistencies, posts with lots of words stating nothing. There's three scums. You've tried to push two townies today. You tried to push Nero as scum, he was town. You tried to push House as group scum, he wasn't. You aren't finding group scum. Whatever is doing, you need to readjust and stat.

[TroubledTownie]

I voted Tier 2 as well, but it wasn't counted.

Buy: Tier 2

[TroubledTownie]

TroubledTownie - I think is almost 100% town. Active scumhunting, never has really given me a reason to read him as scum, always provides decent points to his arguments, etc.

I agree a lot with his arguments against shos

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And the way that I've made these reads in my head (I'm at school and don't have time to comb the ISOs for examples), it's a readlist such that if I'm dead wrong about shos, if he's lynched and pops up town, then my reads will completely flip upside-down and that list would then be ordered scummiest to least scummy, because my reads are centralized around the conflict observed between TT and shos...

Oz, that's an extremely flawed thought process.

If you agree that shos is pushing me with crap reasons, then him flipping town wouldn't suddenly make his reasons legit. The two are independent of each other.

[TroubledTownie]

Sorry, this is starting to get old, shos and math and I going over the same things over and over. I'm not going to respond to either of them anymore, their play is just painful.

Shos has to insist that I meant the exact opposite of what I said for

one

point of his case against me to make sense, and that ignores all the other points that I've shown to be complete crap.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

So stuck.... usually by now I have a general idea of who I think is scum..which I usually change my mind o only to be right and than regret changing my mind.Yes sadly this is my MO

Okay PM has all but disappeared, Honestly I have no idea what to make of this. I donnt know if she got bored with the game, has rl issues , is scum jus sitting back and letting town lynch themselves or something else.
I am also trying hard to figure out all these 1 v 1 fight going on. I am not sure if they are just town verses town or if there a scum element involve.

I think Math is prob town. I am thinking that since they were both mislynches from the scum POV , that they were all but happy to sit back and let the town lynch. All three of the people who lynched House ( Xombie , Abr and me are town. ) The flow could of easily gone the otherway and Math could of been lynched. I have to look but if I remember right there was not a strong push to really svae either one. The push to lynch was by ABR and Xombie both town. This would mean that the scum likely sat back and pretty much let the town lynch itself. I an really thinking that the scum are the mid voters on the House lynch and maybe 1 o n the Math wagon on day 1.If there something weird about my logic I would like to hear it.

I like Kiwi push on me. I have been kinda lurking though it has been bc I have been kinda stuck. I don't see scum going after someone who is harder to lynch, I don't see me being likely lynched today. The push honestly feels like he suspects me for some reason.
I am thinking Kiwi might be town but I am not too terribly sure right now. His push on me seems to be from a town POV inho.

[TroubledTownie]

mollie was contacted by ABR outside the game, so her slot is being replace IIRC. We haven't had much from the mods since kj has been in the hospital.

[Titus]

So stuck.... usually by now I have a general idea of who I think is scum..which I usually change my mind o only to be right and than regret changing my mind.Yes sadly this is my MO

Okay PM has all but disappeared, Honestly I have no idea what to make of this. I donnt know if she got bored with the game, has rl issues , is scum jus sitting back and letting town lynch themselves or something else.
I am also trying hard to figure out all these 1 v 1 fight going on. I am not sure if they are just town verses town or if there a scum element involve.

I think Math is prob town. I am thinking that since they were both mislynches from the scum POV , that they were all but happy to sit back and let the town lynch. All three of the people who lynched House ( Xombie , Abr and me are town. ) The flow could of easily gone the otherway and Math could of been lynched. I have to look but if I remember right there was not a strong push to really svae either one. The push to lynch was by ABR and Xombie both town. This would mean that the scum likely sat back and pretty much let the town lynch itself. I an really thinking that the scum are the mid voters on the House lynch and maybe 1 o n the Math wagon on day 1.If there something weird about my logic I would like to hear it.

I like Kiwi push on me. I have been kinda lurking though it has been bc I have been kinda stuck. I don't see scum going after someone who is harder to lynch, I don't see me being likely lynched today. The push honestly feels like he suspects me for some reason.
I am thinking Kiwi might be town but I am not too terribly sure right now. His push on me seems to be from a town POV inho.

TDLR, you were townreading me first. You were right to townread me. Help me lynch shos and if shos is town, you can come at me tomorrow.

In order to lynch scum, first, my townreads have to stop fosing each other.

[kiwieagle]

Damned if you dont damned if you do
VOTE: shos

Hopefully shos becomes more active with the pressure


Also ozigin calls me town then scum because of how I play zzz I play like like this get over it

[Titus]

That being said, I do like the VCA, I just feel it is too early.

[Titus]

Damned if you dont damned if you do
VOTE: shos

Hopefully shos becomes more active with the pressure


Also ozigin calls me town then scum because of how I play zzz I play like like this get over it

Thank you.

Now we have 4 townies on shos.

[Titus]

9 alive, 5 to lynch

I will add in deadline later, im tired atm and have a lot on my mind

Deadline is in about 4 days I believe as I think deadlines are one week long...

[TroubledTownie]

@TFL

Everything you need to know about shos is in 2002. Constantly making complete BS up to attack me, and ignoring every time I refuted him. Now he's finally responded by saying my pressure to get mollie to contribute or replace was actually me pushing a policy lynch, because opposite day or something.

[ika]

deadline is 2 week, so thats on the 6th of march

[shos]

You said I was scummy for pushing for a policy lynch, but I was explicitly speaking out against one.

You did? Because I remember you pressuring mollie over... policy an awful lot.

I pressured mollie to contribute and stop with the 'I'm not engaged' 'This is taking forever' 'I'm getting wrinkles' kinds of posts.

holy shit, you honestly edited the name of the poster???

[shos]

You said I was scummy for pushing for a policy lynch, but I was explicitly speaking out against one.

You did? Because I remember you pressuring mollie over... policy an awful lot.

I pressured mollie to contribute and stop with the 'I'm not engaged' 'This is taking forever' 'I'm getting wrinkles' kinds of posts.

Like, I dunno where you got that from, but no way I said 'an awful lot'

[TroubledTownie]

You said I was scummy for pushing for a policy lynch, but I was explicitly speaking out against one.

You did? Because I remember you pressuring mollie over... policy an awful lot.

I pressured mollie to contribute and stop with the 'I'm not engaged' 'This is taking forever' 'I'm getting wrinkles' kinds of posts.

holy shit, you honestly edited the name of the poster???

No, that's the quote caching problem I have. Should have been Angry Pidgeon and post 2087.

[shos]

you kept nullifying that vote becaise it was just sheeping. Well, sprry to be rhe one to break it for you but, if I vote scum, it dpea not matter why I vpte scum.

Where is your scumhunting un the rest of the players? Who aee scum "with" me and mollie?

Yes, it does matter why you vote scum. If all you do for the whole game is sheep one player, then you're not being a good townie.

Where did I say mollie was scum? Can you make a single post without misrepping me?

no, it doesn't. I have absolutely nothing againste veryone voting scum all game long without a single reason.
and way to ignore my question.