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Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:00 am
by ika
Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
ika wrote:ank you should vote reg and see what happens

I'm pretty sure that can't hurt but I'd rather have no messing about and 3 votes on BBT before I go to Orlandomeet on Saturday.


well unless if reg comes in here... you might be out of luck

we could dispute the me/you pair if ank votes by both of us posting while we are here

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:05 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
ika wrote:so now you are calling it a BBT/reg team CES?

No. I'm unsure. Ank suggesting a Regfanlynch doesn't exactly make me feel better about him but at least he has a reasonable explanation for why he didn't post for a day.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:08 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
ika wrote:well unless if reg comes in here... you might be out of luck

we could dispute the me/you pair if ank votes by both of us posting while we are here

It's nighttime in Australia now, so he might post in his morning. The two of you could lynch BBT while I sleep?

I think that's such a good plan that I will go to sleep right now.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:18 pm
by Equinox
Vote Count 5.07BlueBloodedToffee (1) - Cogito Ergo Sum
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting (3) - Ankamius, ika, Regfan


With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch.

The deadline is Friday, May 29, 2015, at 3:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2015-05-29 15:30:00).

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:51 pm
by Regfan
Sorry, had a death in the family and spent last night consoling them.

Will get to this game when I get home from work tonight, know at the moment Zar agrees with Ank-BBT scum team (He pointed out some weird inconsistencies about their reads on each other to me two nights ago) and a BBT vote, hoping Mina pops in between now and then too as I'm getting more and more ready to throw down a vote.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 6:27 pm
by ika
Regfan wrote:Sorry, had a death in the family and spent last night consoling them.

Will get to this game when I get home from work tonight, know at the moment Zar agrees with Ank-BBT scum team (He pointed out some weird inconsistencies about their reads on each other to me two nights ago) and a BBT vote, hoping Mina pops in between now and then too as I'm getting more and more ready to throw down a vote.


OGC: sorry for yoru loss

on game: then vote already im like this close fromm snap voting you for this shit

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:14 pm
by Regfan
"This shit" is actually thinking my vote through and making sure my team mates agree with me on bbt being scum given its yknow lylo and this isn't a game I want to misvote in especially with how much shit anti will give me if I do. Jesus Christ, you can wait especially since im super likely to have a vote down in the next 10 hours or even less, just want to hear from Mina first.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:16 pm
by Regfan
I'll post the stuff zar left me pointing to bbt-ank (lots of it was what I was already seeing anyway but he brouhh up a few solid as fuxj points) when I get to a computer too.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:48 pm
by BlueBloodedToffee
I'm going to try and get to this game later today.

ika, still waiting for your CES/BBT scum team thoughts.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:29 pm
by Cogito Ergo Sum
Regfan wrote:just want to hear from Mina first

You can ask her if I look townier than Patrick did.

BlueBloodedToffee wrote:ika, still waiting for your CES/BBT scum team thoughts.

Why is that something you care about at a time like this?

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:56 am
by Regfan
Okay, finally at a computer and Mina popped on; Mina doesn't have very clear reads in this game (She's saying she's not as invested in this game as I am that I should trust my reads over hers since she's not good at reading people without interacting with them herself) and she thinks everyone is playing fairly closed / non-transparently, she's leery of the fact that Ikas urging people to vote but she is willing to sheep and trust me/everyone else that has him as town and that point out that it's a playstyle tell for him and not an alignment one. She thinks BBT shows occasional flashes of conviction/anger that sound genuine and that CES reaction towards the 1v1 reads genuine too since she doesn't think scum would want to force that. She also thinks Ank had a few team mate posts that read townish and liked his insisting that he's easy to read. So uh, she's being really wishy-washy and not particularly useful, she was coming around to BBT!Scum by the end of our quick convo though, she thought his flip of read on Ika and myself was bad didn't read genuine.

Zar thinks Anks was an attempt to pre-emptively clear BBT for late game if Psyche ever got lynched (Which he uses in ), in he states a really strong town read on BBT, him then progresing to say that Elk can only be scum with BBT in and then voting Elk in doesn't add up and looks like trying to prevent the tide from swinging to BBT. Zar thinks Anks been very waffly / back-tracky with his BBT read lately and thinks the swift change from thinking it's BBT/Me towards CES/Me when BBT was starting to get votes looks is a big point for them both being scum together given it's the WF setup.

I'm ready to vote now, apologies in advance if I'm wrong but here's the main reasons I think BBT is scum in an nutshell is that the way he's gone about this lylo doesn't add up with thinking CES/Ika is the scum-team, his backtrack of his Ika read, his statement of "Question Ank about his vote yesterday" with no follow through and him constantly asking me to post a case on him while ignoring what I've actually already brought up don't look genuine at all and rather look like him realising that I'm voting him and thus working no Ika to be the misvote. I also find Ank-BBT interactions and reads a huge scum-tell here.

Vote; BBT


ika wrote:reg: its irrelevant what i think of ank if we are decidnign in betweetn BBT/CES. unless if you want to pull na ika and vote ank and force out the second 1v1 i find me stating to be pointless when i am reading ank based off meta

It's not entirely irrelevant or pointless, right now a lot of my read on this game is based on interactions - as explained above BBT-Anks reads on each other and the manner they interact and avoid each other is a large part of my confidence in BBT being scum, if you're refusing to acknowledge the fact that Anks scum here then you're instantly going to ignore the majority of why I think BBT is scum. So work with me here, explain the 'meta' that makes you think Ank town - and have you taken a look at the meta I linked earlier, if so why am I not ridiculously obvtown in your eyes?

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 3:14 am
by Ankamius
Okay, here's where my team and I are at:

I still think it's CES+Reg from interactions. I already went into this. There's one post that struck me as weird from BBT today (mainly timing of what he said), but that's not exactly a strong counterforce.

Mollie has been strongly townreading BBT all game and thinks he's basically obvtown. She also looks at CES and Regfan's posts and sees them pretending to be worse than they really are. She especially hatehatehates this post for putting the possibility out there yet not acting like it is one elsewhere in his posts.

Wisdom has been operating on the opposite type of wavelength; he thinks BBT is obvscum and is scumreading Regfan for being a more likely scumpartner than CES is. He has various reasonings sprinkled into his ISO about it, but I'll have him organize it before posting the details in here. He was townreading BBT until shortly after Aneninen died, but various interactions made him rethink it.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 3:15 am
by Ankamius
FTR I'm aware of Reg's vote and am purposely not voting right now.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 4:24 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Post(s) incoming.

Ank confirmed town.

Nice to know.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 4:40 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Alright, CES is scum. I'm going to attempt to show you all why he is scum. I don't know who he is scum with though; I have thought ika is scum pretty much all game and I still think he has a chance of being scum. However, Reg's slow shift in his read of me fits with the gamestate and gameplan of scum keeping me alive for the mislynch in LyLo. So, I'm going through CES' ISO with the idea that he could be scum with ika or Reg, and tbh, I don't care who it is as long as CES is lynched today.

- CES' very early defence of the Psyche/Anen slot. This is telling given that Psyche was one of leading wagons at the time; it would be a disaster for scum to be lynched D1. Therefore, CES tries to use his relationship with Llamarble to get Llamarble off Psyche and onto CD.

- This is the first of many of CES' lynchpools that contain ALL TOWN (or very likely town if you believe that somehow myself/Ank make sense as a team). His scum reads are CD (conf town), Ank (conf town to me), elk (conf town) and ika (town if Reg is actually CES' buddy)

- The post where CES says that Reg's point on Aero doesn't hold much weight (note; at this point there is no wagon on Aero, not a single vote. CES shows no interest)

- Here begins the town read on Reg. This read is interesting for a couple of reasons; the pair of Reg and CES have town read each other ALL GAME.
ALL GAME
. They have
never
reconsidered these reads, they may have flirted with the idea that they could be scum but they never commit to it/investigate it. This is pretty big. It allows two scum to town read each other all game and they don't have to worry about distancing or anything like that. Reg himself admitted that he could never really explain his town read on CES, it was just there and never disappeared.

- Another scum pool from CES. Consisting of CD (conf town), Aero (conf town) and Ank (conf town to me). I realise that almost everyone will have had lynch pools that contain mostly town, however, CES does this on a consistent basis. Couple this with the fact that later on, despite scum reading Anen, he never commits to the vote, I find this is very telling for CES scum.

- It's '
hard to exclude the possibility of Psyche!Scum.
' Now, at this time, Psyche was one of the main wagons. Despite this statement, CES never goes anywhere near Psyche or the possibility of voting him. Instead, he prefers to try and push a vanity wagon on Ank (who he isn't even voting). This is typical scum play; FOS buddy (Psyche), push/vote town (Ank/CD). Remember that for the majority of the day, despite appearing to scum read a number of people, his vote does not move off of CD. He just sits on CD, all by himself, all Day long.

- The infamous vote on Aero from nowhere. I hadn't noticed this before, but CES' vote on Aero comes almost immediately after Aero announces his V/LA. This is scummy as fuck, especially as he presents no reasoning for this vote, at all. Instead, he assigns his responsibility of being on the wagon onto Reg/Llamarble who he was 'sheeping'.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 5:01 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
BlueBloodedToffee wrote:However, Reg's slow shift in his read of me fits with the gamestate and gameplan of scum keeping me alive for the mislynch in LyLo.

Why would scum have been planning to mislynch you in LyLo specifically?

BlueBloodedToffee wrote:So, I'm going through CES' ISO with the idea that he could be scum with ika or Reg, and tbh, I don't care who it is as long as CES is lynched today.

If I were scum with ika, he would just hammer you.

You can do boring post-by-posts all you want but your mindset here doesn't even make any sense.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 5:26 am
by Cogito Ergo Sum
I mean, if it's me-ika, then Regfan's vote just lost you the game but you seem perfectly content to let that be and go off quote-mining on your own.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 5:29 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Day Two.

- Despite Aero flipping town, CES sees no need to reevaluate his read on anyone. Continues to push the CD/Ank angle.

- This is the first of a couple of super important posts; CES says 'Reg is not getting lynched unless he keeps living without us winning the game.' Why hasn't this been addressed now? Of all Days, why has this not been addressed in LyLo?

Continues to push for Ank. Still no vote though.

- Ah, finally, the vote on Ank. Now, there are a couple of things to note. A) Ank has voted CES now and b) Zach has voted Ank and has now started a wagon on him.

- The post where he says the progression of his read on Aero happened out of thread. I still call BS on this. He attacks CD for not pushing ika whilst scum reading him. This is hypocritical at the absolute best given CES has been scum reading Psyche forever whilst doing absolutely nothing about it.

- Avoids having to explain his town reads. Not surprising since his read on Reg materialized from nowhere.

- Again, points out Psyche is scum but doesn't want to touch him Today because it will become obvious at some point.

- This post is absolutely atrocious. He is defending Reg against CD whilst also saying that if CD thinks Reg is scum then Ank is a 'slam-dunk scum buddy' and he should vote Ank anyway. Deflecting away from Reg, he also says scum cannot afford to bus; this comment should be relevant for obvious reasons.

It should be noted that at this time, CD was heavily suspicious of Reg (this began in ). CES appeared to be hard scum reading Ank but was content to push CD; was this a chainsaw attempt? His reasoning for actually voting CD in is pretty weak (and again relies on somebody else’s reasoning than his own, much like the Aero wagon). It’s no coincidence that CD ended as the days lynch, it’s also no coincidence that both Reg and CES are on the wagon.

- Continues to say that an Ank vote is better than a Reg vote.

- CES says '
Can you imagine a Day 5 where we just accept that Regfan is still alive?
' This is bad right? This is the second time he has said something along these lines. Yet, when it comes to it, where is his suspicion of Reg that he should surely have now?

- Again, pushing the Anen slot to the side to be sorted at a later date.

- The bottom 3 lines in CES' attack on CD explain CES' play this game pretty clearly. CES ended on both major wagons (both on town) and he suspects CD has never actually voted for scum (and CES hasn't either).

- More mud slinging at Anen without any attempt to push/vote him. This is a constant presence in CES play. Pointing out how scummy the Psyche/Anen slot is without actually doing anything about it. FOS buddy, vote/push town. Typical scum play.

- CES expects Reg to die N2. Important for obvious reasons, does CES ever question why Reg is alive?

- The beginning of his weird attack on Ank for the unvote.

I need to go for food now and I'll try to continue later. CES is so obviously scum though, like, seriously. Please read what I have posted and vote accordingly.

PEdit - Through this analysis it seems pretty clear it's you (CES)/Reg. I said I don't know who is scum between ika/Reg and idc. If it's ika, he snap hammers me. We lose. If it's Reg, there is nothing I can do because, well, he's scum.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:16 am
by ika
als not hammering to destory the CES/me team

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:16 am
by ika
BBT, balls in your court

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:17 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
ika, have you read my recent posts?

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:18 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
I'm guessing not since you just made that comment actually so can you do so please?

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:19 am
by ika
BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm guessing not since you just made that comment actually so can you do so please?


i just got home from work so im catching up in everything, the only thing i noticed starigtaway was the BBT vote

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:19 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Meh, maybe I haven't played so well after all.

I do remember stating a long time ago that CES/Reg could be a thing though and people laughed at me.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:20 am
by BlueBloodedToffee
Alright, read my posts.

Let me know what you think.