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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:37 am
by Titus
In post 2095, MathBlade wrote:Groundhog Day? Not sure what you mean here.
Scum kill tonight and we have one more bit narrowed down. If they don't it either confirms Manuel as town or inches us closer to a draw. By no lynching we don't move closer to losing. This is MyLO ppl.
The strategic advantage to scum is always to shoot Manuel or no kill. It gives zero info.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:39 am
by MathBlade
Yes it does. It pushes us closer to a draw or eventually kills Manuel. Either way if we keep no lynching it is either a draw or info.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:40 am
by MathBlade
@mod: How many days in a row of no lynch + no kill would be a draw?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:41 am
by Titus
In post 2101, MathBlade wrote:Yes it does. It pushes us closer to a draw or eventually kills Manuel. Either way if we keep no lynching it is either a draw or info.
Given Manuel is town, forcing scum to shoot me or JarJar is the better play.
They're never shooting you if town. You'll vote Manuel.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:43 am
by Titus
Who is scum if Manuel is town Math?
Scum will never outright kill Manuel (they may remove his bp though) if you refuse to consider him being town and you're town.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:44 am
by MathBlade
And as you said they won't be forced.
Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.
Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:45 am
by MathBlade
Pedit: You based on VCA and multiple hypocracies one of which you deny.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:45 am
by Manuel87
I thought about them both being scum. Its a possibility. But i dont think they gain much from that.
The only other ppl in the Neigborhood at that point were Dunn and Dong.
Dunn was the nightkill.
Dong wasnt even posting in the neigborhood besides one hello after he got added as the 2nd person after Math.
Also i was/am scumreaading Dong so it would probably have been better/easier for them to convince him to lynch me if they are both scum.
Dunn didnt say who he would add so they didnt know i would be the one reading S_S defending me.
@S_S: If Titus JarJar is the scumteam then why did Dunn die last night?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:47 am
by MathBlade
@Manuel permission to Garcia your last question?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:48 am
by Manuel87
go ahead
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:49 am
by Titus
In post 2105, MathBlade wrote:And as you said they won't be forced.
Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.
Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
I am not playing to a draw. I am playing to win.
If we lynch SS and no one dies, we should be netting an extra mislynch. It's 4 v 2.
Lynch SS. It's 4 v 1. 5 alive.
If no one dies, we get to be wrong once.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:51 am
by MathBlade
Garcia is when you answer a question meant for another player. FTR I townread JarJar but I can think of why a Titus/JarJar remainder would.
Pedit:
Because they couldn't risk it being a masonry. if Titus / JarJar scum Iroanavp was scared I was confirmed town based on infinity lynch and so he figured out what I was saying about d2 and shot Dunn for it to avoid having to play day and night and minimize the bleeding.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:53 am
by MathBlade
In post 2110, Titus wrote: In post 2105, MathBlade wrote:And as you said they won't be forced.
Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.
Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
I am not playing to a draw. I am playing to win.
If we lynch SS and no one dies, we should be netting an extra mislynch. It's 4 v 2.
Lynch SS. It's 4 v 1. 5 alive.
If no one dies, we get to be wrong once.
Or we can just no lynch and not have to risk SS being Town and have the same result. I play to not lose which by definition is winning.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:54 am
by Something_Smart
@Manuel: the first thing I thought of is that they either rolecopped or tracked him and determined he was a PR.
But it could just be to protect JarJar, or it could be WIFOM. I don't know, but it was something that I thought about.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:56 am
by MathBlade
In post 1117, MathBlade wrote:Before I thought X's logic was insane
Now I think his reasoning on something before is plain
Will reISO Y after work
If only RL wasn't such a big jerk.
X is a townread and I was an idiot
I hope it is clear what I have meant.
Rereading overnight made something make sense.
If only while writing this I wasn't so tense.
So people could see through the lines.
Without giving scum the day and time.
This may be my one chance to have it all clear
Not being understood is my big fear.
So people understand what I say
And know what is going on today
X knows what I am saying I hope.
Else I may be stuck in mope
Gotta go.
Scum need lynching let's go!
In other words Iroanavp translated this and determined I was neighborized by Dunn.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:56 am
by Titus
In post 2112, MathBlade wrote: In post 2110, Titus wrote: In post 2105, MathBlade wrote:And as you said they won't be forced.
Assume Manuel is BP town and assume we lynch SS and SS flips scum.
Scum shoot Manuel or NK.
Then it 1v4. MyLO again. Manuel regardless of alignment claims he was shot.
Then we no lynch.
Manuel dies, is confirmed scum, or move closer to draw.
Same argument only we are risking SS scum.
I am not playing to a draw. I am playing to win.
If we lynch SS and no one dies, we should be netting an extra mislynch. It's 4 v 2.
Lynch SS. It's 4 v 1. 5 alive.
If no one dies, we get to be wrong once.
Or we can just no lynch and not have to risk SS being Town and have the same result. I play to not lose which by definition is winning.
You're not really doing that. Scum have no incentive to bus. The teams are pretty well set assuming you're town.
SS/Dong versus Titus/JarJar.
No one supports your scumread on Manuel.
You need to look to see who is scum supposing he is town, and not just in a petulant upset way, but fully reset.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:58 am
by Titus
In post 2107, Manuel87 wrote:
I thought about them both being scum. Its a possibility. But i dont think they gain much from that.
The only other ppl in the Neigborhood at that point were Dunn and Dong.
Dunn was the nightkill.
Dong wasnt even posting in the neigborhood besides one hello after he got added as the 2nd person after Math.
Also i was/am scumreaading Dong so it would probably have been better/easier for them to convince him to lynch me if they are both scum.
Dunn didnt say who he would add so they didnt know i would be the one reading S_S defending me.
@S_S: If Titus JarJar is the scumteam then why did Dunn die last night?
Fai enough. This also is looking more and more like Math being angry that they're wrong and just bending crap to fit.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:00 am
by MathBlade
Agreed they have no incentive to bus. That is why the NK is so important. It narrows things down and based on where people stand it confirms things. We keep no lynching til there is a kill then whoever is left of me+Manuel decides. Worse case scenario we draw.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:03 am
by MathBlade
Back to work for me will check periodically as time permits. Please unvote.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:03 am
by Titus
In post 2117, MathBlade wrote:Agreed they have no incentive to bus. That is why the NK is so important. It narrows things down and based on where people stand it confirms things. We keep no lynching til there is a kill then whoever is left of me+Manuel decides. Worse case scenario we draw.
They'll narrow things down more if they cannot no kill without giving a mislynch.
If you're going to basically throw the game if Manuel isn't lynched, you should let the rest of us know you have zero effort to reconsider. That way Manuel can vote SS and we can sit around waiting for you to reevaluate.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:04 am
by Something_Smart
That is not the worst case scenario.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:09 am
by Manuel87
Ill think about this on my way to work tomorrow. Need to go sleep now.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:09 am
by MathBlade
It is 10v3 in the first post? So only two scum remain. Explain how no lynching loses?
I have intention of reconsidering after an NK.
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:10 am
by Titus
In post 2122, MathBlade wrote:
It is 10v3 in the first post? So only two scum remain. Explain how no lynching loses?
I have intention of reconsidering after an NK.
So if 3 players vote SS, you would refuse to reconsider?
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:12 am
by MathBlade
I don't contribute to stupid ideas of lynching today. If we lynch it is in my top two. If a third person votes then scum can easily hammer so a third person voting is playing stupid.