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Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:13 am

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uhghhghg i read some krazy and bujabber is probably town.
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Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:22 am

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lynchpool rn {MWNN, UNA}
both are pretty solid.
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Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:26 am

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VOTE: una
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Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:29 am

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Just to try and to the townie thing before I'm off to bed then?
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Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:07 am

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ok so here's the deal. i'm actually an even night gunsmith. how about give me one more night to get a result on whomever, and then ill self-vote tomorrow along with the result that I attain.

i'll probably gunsmith mwnn/una depending who is not lynched but taking suggestions too
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Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:09 am

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spicy
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Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:19 am

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yadda yadda wifom or whatever i might not investigate these people too
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Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:33 am

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Yeah no you get lynched now.
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Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:38 am

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ok cool
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Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:38 am

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i tried my best and thats all my mother can ask of me
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Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:45 am

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In post 2099, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2084, Hiraki wrote:1) it's not speculation when you have 4 alive PRs on the table right now, one of [me/titus/drd/you] is scum. There's no shot that there's 2 goons (maybe a 3rd) and another mafia PR. that's just way too overpowered. Titus probably has the correct idea where there is a rolecop (note that having a rolecop makes SENSE with a roleblocker, something that will be important in a few) but that's actual speculation.

2) saying that any and every mod is working on a setup doesn't mean that the setup can't be broken. every setup goes through two layers of review. a setup with 4 town PRs is broken bar none
eh just finished a game with vig + gunsmith + informed neighborizer + loyal jailkeeper vs a weak mafia pr role so I don't know what is balance anymore.
Both of those have the liability to kill town, try again
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Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:26 am

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Caught up, trying to sort this all out, today got really complicated.

This is something that's confusing/worrying me about Dr.D
In post 3, Dunnstral wrote:
As promised the game is starting now

Enderphoenix, archaebob, Kop are all being replaced in that (randomized) order for not picking up role pms
In post 7, Dunnstral wrote:
Golden Robster replaces Enderphoenix

I should have sent a day start message, so I'm doing that now
In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:
Krazy replaces archaebob
In post 1764, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 1756, Krazy wrote:At the moment I'm thinking scum but if DrD really thinks town I'm willing to hear his reasoning.
I didn't crumb a power role, and I think played as if I didn't have a power role - if I'm wrong, please anyone pick it up. Robster definitely didn't since there was a small mod error where she was accidentally sent a VT pm. Meanwhile I know a lot of people were scumreading me, so I think the rb comes from town.
Like I know the whole second-guessing the mod thing is dangerous, but the mistake seem like a really odd thing to add to a fakeclaim and fairly plausible. I've been kind of townreading him partly off that. But if it was 2 PRs and a goon, what are the chances of Dunnstral screwing that up? That's a terrible start to the game and you'd think he'd be hyperaware of it.

Also, can we all please stop lying about our roles while speculating on game balanced based on those same claims?
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Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:32 am

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Godfathers are non-normal, Mafia doctors are normal and are innocent to a gunsmith.

Could be a workaround for originally wanting a cop + godfather.
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Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:39 am

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Hiraki not using his night action plays nicely into the hoping to get cleared by doc protection because that’s the “only” way there could have been no kill theory. Because if both Una and Hiraki did something, it makes things less ambiguous.

But Una revealing he’s 2-shot and out of shots also does the same thing, because if Hiraki RBed someone, that person is obvious scum if Una didn’t save them, and then when they flip town, Hiraki is the next lynch.

Una was the one to point this out and push hard on Hiraki over it.
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Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:12 am

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In post 1952, UnaBombaH wrote:I want to hear ANYONE claim a protect or block from last night, and then I'll fullclaim immediately after and you can all decide what you wanna do then.

Claim your full role and action, and I'll follow suit.
You can then decide whether you agree with my reasoning last day/today and we can put either your suspicions on me, or just me, to rest.
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In post 1953, BuJaber wrote:Just claim now why wait?
Because everything I do, I do for a reason.
Now, if only someone claims a role and action that likely stopped a kill last night, I can come out with my gameplan for the last two days.
I went to the last gamenight with the sole purpose of being nightkilled, and either scum are very stupid for not doing me in, or we can have someone claim a block/protect.

IF NO ONE COMES FORWARD, YOU EITHER ASSUME SCUM NO-KILLED(??) OR I STOPPED THE KILL (essentially conf.towning my target).

You keep saying suspicious shit BuJaber, and it comes across to me like you are certainly trying to cast shade towards me. :]
This is from the start of the day, casting doubt on Hiraki despite there being a no-kill and Una knowing they were out of shots. If the kill had actually been stopped by Hiraki, what was the grand gameplan here? As town that's the only reasonable guess from Una at this point.

Una claims 2-shot after Hiraki claims not to have used their power last night, which makes the NK more confusing but gives, as BJ points out, a reason for Una not to die.

Una clearly has no problem lying to try to draw the NK, so why not lie and say Garmr or someone obvious was protected in this case? As town that lie allows Una to draw the NK and keep pretending to have shots, as scum it creates a question of why he survives another night.
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Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:12 am

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VOTE: UnaBombaH
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Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:28 am

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Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:50 am

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Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:52 am

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Sup cunts
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.
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Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:17 pm

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In post 2118, Not_Mafia wrote:Sup cunts
Oh hi NM! Welcome :D
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Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:00 pm

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In post 2114, Akarin wrote:Una claims 2-shot after Hiraki claims not to have used their power last night, which makes the NK more confusing but gives, as BJ points out, a reason for Una not to die.
Except that I am willing to die to put the WIFOM to rest.. :roll:
And your logic almost holds, but wouldn't scum!Una just claim a protect on someone?
Claiming to have protected in Garmr/Titus wouldn't create any more innos for town anyway, and might actually help scum!Una to lynch town!Hiraki.
But instead I decided to be honest about my full role because I promised to do so, making me the designated lynch?
Sounds about right.
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Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:06 pm

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In post 2118, Not_Mafia wrote:Sup cunts
Hai N_M!
I think I'm like L-1, and very much town to anyone who can read beyond claims..! :lol:
I am however open to being the lynch to remove any WIFOM about the claims, or the "balance" of the setup or whatever.

But if you vote me because you think I'm just scum, you are not worthy of the Plain Badge, sorry.. :roll:
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Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:20 pm

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Hi Una!
In post 2121, UnaBombaH wrote:I think I'm like L-1
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Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:24 pm

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My logic only "almost" holds when you misrepresent it like that.

The big point is that if your claim is true you KNEW you didn't protect anyone, so you KNEW Hiraki's roleblock target was scum. That's the obvious, most reasonable explanation at the start of day from your point of view, if you are town and your claim is true. But that is
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how you acted.

And increasing confusion, which your claim did, is good for scum, although claiming to have targeted Garmr would have been reasonable too.
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Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:07 pm

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we are just waiting for flip right? cool
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