Mini Normal 2081 — My First Game! [Game Over]

[Menalque]

Cinn are you in sign up for anything else?

[Cinnamon]

Not at the moment

[Cinnamon]

We have a pretty good record in the two games we've played so far haha

[chennisden]

Even doctor + doctorless jailkeeper vs roleblocker looks fairly townsided

idk

its fairly vs unacceptably townsided

[chennisden]

I also hate Informed on principle

[chennisden]

a better informed would be theres a doc

[Menalque]

I’ll look that one up, thanks chenn

Still trying to figure out how meta works as I go on

[Menalque]

We have a pretty good record in the two games we've played so far haha

Yeah that’s what I was thinking lol

I dunno if we should pm but would you be up for hydraing?

[Menalque]

Current set up only instead of informed there’s a roleblocker and a 1-shot strongman?

[Cinnamon]

Yeah I'd be down. If you find a fun game for a hydra PM me

[Menalque]

Yeah I'd be down. If you find a fun game for a hydra PM me

Cool, will do

There’s a mini theme that I’ve got my eye on but it’s not in sign up yet

[Dannflor]

ggwp!

kinda feel town wins regardless of setup here

luv you didn't play bad at all I think town just generally played really well (maybe excluding some of the unfortunate claim shenanigans)

[skitter30]

I TOLD YOU HE WAS MECH!SCUM SKITT

i mean you're not really supposed to read into that sort of thing so i try not to

Let’s forget it and go back to the bit where you say glowing things about my first ever non-newbie game tat I can put in my sig

let me think of something pithy and get back to you!

[Cinnamon]

skitter I'm going to be honest, part of the reason I was still scumreading you near the end is pretty much everybody was looking really townie and I felt like if it wasn't Creature it would probably be somebody who's good at looking town as scum

[Dannflor]

skitter I'm going to be honest, part of the reason I was still scumreading you near the end is pretty much everybody was looking really townie and I felt like if it wasn't Creature it would probably be somebody who's good at looking town as scum

basically same here

I just town read everyone else more

maybe an unfair burden of proficiency

[Menalque]

I think I was only gonna consider scumming skitt in lylo

She just seemed so towny to me

The exi being conf!town after I started believing chenn threw me on you a bit cinn, but I still felt about 80-90% that my hammer on creature was gonna flip good

I think I would hate to play against scum!skitt tho

[Menalque]

I TOLD YOU HE WAS MECH!SCUM SKITT

i mean you're not really supposed to read into that sort of thing so i try not to

Let’s forget it and go back to the bit where you say glowing things about my first ever non-newbie game tat I can put in my sig

let me think of something pithy and get back to you!

Noice

[skitter30]

skitter I'm going to be honest, part of the reason I was still scumreading you near the end is pretty much everybody was looking really townie and I felt like if it wasn't Creature it would probably be somebody who's good at looking town as scum

that's fine, i could tell that was probably what was happening

i've been a little burnt-out recently and i think i'm going on hiatus when all my games end - i definitely didn't put as much effort into this as i could have or would have otherwise, so it made sense to me and if it really came down to it i was p sure getting wagoned would give me enough motivation to prevent a mislynch on me so i wasn't too worried

[skitter30]

I think I would hate to play against scum!skitt tho

[callforjudgement]

Talking about the setup, even with all those doc gates I do feel like town had way too much power, especially when scum didn't have any (except Informed about something that ended up not even coming into play in this game). A massclaim immediately screws things over when it's revealed that everything was done to gate the doc, so even if scum tried to claim Nea it'd kind of be suspect when you consider that that would mean town has three strong PRs.

This is a JK setup at its heart. Scum always struggles in those if they lose a member early, as it becomes way stronger with one townie dead. (It seems likely that town would have won regardless of the setup, though.)

FWIW, the "the Enabler makes the setup more townsided" point by chennisden is something I'll have to think about. Given that a) there's nothing stopping scum fakeclaiming a role like that and b) there's no reason why the Enabler necessarily implies the corresponding role, this (if true) means that either moderators have become too predictable or else that scum fakeclaims have become too predictable, and whichever of those is the issue, it's something of a problem with the meta. We might need to have a discussion in the NRG about whether we should take steps to change sitewide modmeta and/or whether we need to train scum on how to fakeclaim better.

[Creature]

a) there's nothing stopping scum fakeclaiming a role like that

It's a named townie though and named townies are more towards townsided than neutral.

[Creature]

could've worked if instead scum was doctor enabler (or better: jailkeeper enabler)

[Creature]

I probably need to review some normal setups to see if I can prevent some disasters from happening.

[chennisden]

I think we all individually played a little bad but collectively town played good. Anyone else get that vibe?

[chennisden]

Creature said exactly what I wanted to.