After Toriel returned to the house, Farkran smelled something good drifting towards his nostrils. It smelled like.. casserole? His mother was cooking a hot meal, and probably naturally prepared a large serving. But what if she forgot about the hungry monsters who were not inside?
At the same time, they still seemed to be under some direction to not enter the house. So whoever requested food could get in trouble. This made Farkran want to pick somebody else.
"Nachomamma8, Mom and Dad are making food, and I say the youngest of us should have to be the one to go and check on it. You're the youngest. Would you find out if supper is ready?"
It wasn't entirely true. The actual youngest was -
"I'm thirty seven but I got my Sumo Calm Loud at fourteen!"
Farkran ignored that remark and its questionable veracity. "You can pick the size of the slices if you check for us, Nachomamma8." Farkran would much rather get a smaller slice than risk getting a timeout. He crossed his arms, confident he could compel Nachomamma8 into action with his royal disposition.
In post 2060, Amrun wrote:@Bingle: in what world would scum kill Fakran? Explain it to me.
Still waiting
Why would a Hectic/Chara or Hectic/Nacho team not kill Farkran over Psyche?
Farkran was the only reason Hectic was even a difficult spare, and in either of those cases the remaining player is in a good enough position to weather the upheaval. Not top townread, not top scumread. It also didn't seem like anyone had any real idea who would die N2.
I'm mostly curious about why Fark has been tunneling aggressively for the entire game without any real sign of reevaluation.
Not sure, tbh. My gut still says it's you, but I'm disengaged enough to need to think before being comfortable with your lynch.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:35 pm
by Bingle
In post 2092, Nachomamma8 wrote:I ask that because two thoughts. 1) if I'm in Psyche's shoes I'd much rather have town sort out the Nacho/Farkran debacle and shoot Bingle as opposed to the other way around and 2) if we lynch Bingle (who replica was pretty harshly townreading) and he flips town then I'll feel pretty dumb. Would not feel as dumb if Bingle flipped town after we got a scum lynch.
Why do you assume Psyche would shoot me? He was tr-ing me just as hard as Rep when he died. Hell, that's the most cohesive reasoning I can think of for me being scum (Psyche not being likely to shoot me so I pushed hard for the lynch yesterday).
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:36 pm
by Bingle
In post 2095, Amrun wrote:But are we really all just cool with Bingle ignoring this thread?
Yeah, my bad. That was unintentional. I got asked to review a couple of games and I got a little sucked in with those and forgot I had a non F3 game to pay attention to.
In post 2060, Amrun wrote:@Bingle: in what world would scum kill Fakran? Explain it to me.
Still waiting
Why would a Hectic/Chara or Hectic/Nacho team not kill Farkran over Psyche?
Farkran was the only reason Hectic was even a difficult spare, and in either of those cases the remaining player is in a good enough position to weather the upheaval. Not top townread, not top scumread. It also didn't seem like anyone had any real idea who would die N2.
I'm mostly curious about why Fark has been tunneling aggressively for the entire game without any real sign of reevaluation.
Because he’s a likely mislynch with that comp. Psyche was much less likely.
In post 2095, Amrun wrote:Farkran/Bingle has been my pick for scumteam since before either of them occupied those slots.
If I am town who is Fark's partner?
Nacho, I’ve already said - outside chance of Chara. Even further outside chance of Chara/Nacho.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:40 pm
by Amrun
I’m sitting here thinking about nacho/Chara and I’ll be sonpissed off if that’s it.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:44 pm
by Amrun
Fuck.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:29 pm
by Bingle
In post 2111, Amrun wrote:Because he’s a likely mislynch with that comp.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Farkran have very little suspicion aimed at him on D2?
Sure, no one was really following his logic, which is a valid point, but No one really wanted him lynched iirc.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:44 pm
by Bingle
Yeah, I checked. Hectic, Chara, Farkran and Replica were the only people who voted Farkran D2. You wanted my blood and no one else's all day and thought Farkran was crazy but town. Nacho was tr-ing him fairly hard as of 1307-1316 and he wanted Chem's blood. I was tr-ing him. Psyche tr-d Fark over Hectic as of 1394 to the point he was considering sparing him.
Hell, a big portion of Replica's stated desire to spare me was to remove a town voice that was tr-ing Farkran.
I don't think D2 scumteam looks at Farkran and goes: "Gotta keep this around, it's a mislynch." if he's right about them, and I'm fascinated by this narrative that he looked like an obvious lynch before yesterday. If 2/3 of the people looking to lynch him are scum, that's even more ridiculous, imo.
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:48 pm
by Bingle
Do you really think yesterday with the crossbus from Nacho/Farkran is likely if they're S/S in a white flag situation? Do you think Nacho goes hard for a lurkerbuddy policy lynch when there is a significant lurkerpool?
Do you think Farkran spends all of D2 arguing a Hectic/Chara team if he's scum with Chara? Do you think Chara goes for a Farkran policy bus?
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 pm
by Bingle
Like, from my PoV the towniest thing you've done today is go after me over Farkran, because Farkran gets much harder to lynch if I flip town. Nacho did basically the opposite, and it's giving me massive :eyebrows:.
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:49 am
by Amrun
I don’t think Farkran was going to be lynched on day 2, but I absolutely think I, personally, could have rallied a farkran mislynch at some point in the game as scum, as PoE narrows. Like I think it would be easy to do and competent scum would think so as well, though I could be wrong. I think any scum we have here is competent, so... I mean they could have a different perspective than me, but they’re definitely competent.
I don’t think a farkran/nacho team is out of the question but it’s not great, no. Nacho’s treatment of the farkran slot has been pretty weird either way and I can’t decide what it’s more indicative of.
But Nacho/Chara team is now bothering me.
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:22 am
by Farkran
In post 2101, Bingle wrote:(I may or may not have forgotten about this game while fighting Kerset in TM, but that's over now.)
I will place a random lol which may or may not be a reference to this quoted post
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:51 am
by Farkran
About the topic at hand, i never felt like i have been significantly townreaded. As i said in the past, every player in this game - except pretty much just hectic - has been simultaneously townread and scumread by the two halves of the playerlist, at some point. During d1, Asriel has been scumreaded by Nacho, Chara, Amrun, Suji, and later by Hectic when i started scumreading him. During d2 i have been townreaded by Chemist, Bingle, Psyche; scumreaded by Hectic, Nacho, Chara, Replica, and Amrun to some extent. Then Hectic was spared, Psyche died, and during d3, Nacho entered the day re-evaluating his hard-townread of me for no reason at all, Amrun has always been flipflopping his read of me, Chara seems to have reconsidered me to some extent, Bingle and Chemist weakened their townread of me but ultimately still maintained it, Replica at first weakened his scumread but as soon as we started quarreling again he immediately reinstated it just because of his stubborness rather than any concrete reason.
Out of these players, and considering the mindset that scum was forced to have during d3 (avoid a scum lynch at -ALL- costs), i think that the most scummy player among that list is definitely Nacho, followed by Amrun and Chara, followed by Bingle whom i don't really consider scummy atm. I don't buy that Nacho's progression on me is hardtownread > potential reconsideration > hardscumread while not admitting even for a second the possibility that i could have been right about Hectic or Chara when i was pushing them, when the only added information during those progression shifts was a psyche flip. If there's a player that has been taking the easy route over all days so far, it's Nacho. D1 lynch asriel/spare hectic, d2 spare hectic and nothing else, d3 nothing but endorse a farkran lynch, d4 directly pushing a farkran lynch.
I also don't really like Amrun recently, d3 eod was... not what i would expect from her, but Amrun looks like the only player who is genuinely
looking for
scum in this game rather than just tunneling on her first impressions, if you know what i mean. She has been wrong every single time, i think she is wrong on bingle too, but she's not scummy. I don't know why she wouldn't admit scum!Hectic though, i am starting to think that everyone is ignoring the matter just because they don't want to admit they're wrong on it - which could be said about me too, but at least i am pushing a theory that would fit with the gamestate and not go against it. I have yet to hear an explanation as of why nobody opposed Hectic's spare except for me and flipped town (Chemist).
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:04 am
by Farkran
TL;DR i still think Hectic is scum and that's why you do not understand that it's pointless to look for scum associatives in the current alive list.
The only scum teams that make sense with town!Hectic are Farkran/any. All of the other available pairs in a town!Hectic world would have lynched Farkran way earlier. Hectic/any would explain why d2 concluded in a Hectic spare instead of a more sensible and useful lynch.
IF i am wrong on Hectic and somehow scum allowed his spare for no reason at all, i want to rule out any team including Bingle because he's the only one who wanted to spare me over Hectic during d2, leaving Nacho/Chara, Nacho/Amrun, Chara/Amrun - i think none of these would explain why i am still unlynched though, except those involving Nacho because he was absent for a large part of d2 and d3.
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:20 am
by Farkran
Like, read 2056 again - or better yet, the Nacho/Hectic ISO combined - trying to think from a Nacho/Hectic scum perspective where they planned in the scum PT to spare hectic (assumed to be the weakest player among the two, i think) and try to build a towncase of him but leave the doors open for a town mislynch in case plan A failed. Instead, Hectic spare succeeded, and they pushed for it against all odds and alternatives. Again, nacho's progression from
"let's never lynch d1"
to
"let's spare hectic d1"
to
"we didn't it d1? Let's do it in d2"
to
"ok, we spared my top townread, now i am fine lynching everyone who isn't me"
Eh.
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:23 am
by Farkran
In post 2122, Farkran wrote:Like, read 2056 again - or better yet, the Nacho/Hectic ISO combined - trying to think from a Nacho/Hectic scum perspective where they planned in the scum PT to spare hectic (assumed to be the weakest player among the two, i think) and try to build a towncase of him but leave the doors open for a town mislynch in case plan A failed. Instead, Hectic spare succeeded, and they pushed for it against all odds and alternatives. Again, nacho's progression from
"let's never
lynch
spare d1"
to
"let's spare hectic d1"
to
"we didn't it d1? Let's do it in d2"
to
"ok, we spared my top townread, now i am fine lynching everyone who isn't me"
Eh.
ebwop
Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:54 am
by Amrun
I don’t think Hectic is scum, but if he is, there’s not shit I can do about it now, can I? I can’t push further to sort, I can’t do shit. So I just have to accept it and hope my read was right.
