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In post 2067, Disaster Artists wrote:Mikoto and Kuroko

This is a kinda technical slot since DRK early on liked Farkran's confidence (I did not) and this was actually one of our first points of dissonance in the PT. I don't like talking about hydra dissonance in thread because DRK's reads and my own are constantly evolving, she's been happy to let me handle the main thread, and insofar as I felt compelled at times to push this slot I don't think either of us sees a point in talking about the other head having doubts.

As the game went on we have each been bugged by certain things.
DRK noticed posts like this:

In post 450, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Pedit: if chemist is scum in the only game where i townread his slot i'm going to chew my desktop

insofar as this seems in DRK's words "overprocessed for a non-logical statement"

(A)

In post 409, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Assuming the post restriction is real, i think hectic is efforting to convey a lot of content to the thread, i wouldn't expect to see that if he was scum. He also looks very similar to how he played the cult game hosted by kerset. These are strong town points from his slot, it's the read i'm most confident on atm. I could see a null read on hectic from you, but a scumread seems really out of place compared to our undertale experience, unless you think he is lying about his post restriction. We could explore that world in d2, given that he specifically said "for this day phase".

-Farkran

And it seems here like Fark

wants

to townread Hectic more than necessarily makes sense at this point

(B)

Conversely, DRK gave 818 townpoints but she feels uncomfortable with reads lists like 819

She thought 891 was weird for a scum POV but I think it's just... weird. Who would not like these event prizes? They're like super strong

(C)

DRK also liked 1002

So there's I think room to debate on this hydra. That being said there's a lot to dislike.

In post 179, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Guess I need to obv-town to oblivion this game.

In post 854, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:I'm the obv-town head.

I actually began to really have problems with this slot more due to Bitmap, who is doing very little overall and was posting stuff like this without really doing anything townie either at the time or since

In post 1995, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:I will still consider Alyssa, Taly and Krazy to be my friends when this game is over, regardless of our alignments. Games are but a short parenthesis in our lives, and i respect competitiveness when i see it

This isn't really AI but thanks bitmap, I guess I didn't realize you liked me given I thought you smack talked my play a few times in TvA but maybe I'm misremembering. You were scum there so maybe it was meaningless.

In post 2003, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Yeah, been talking to my other head in discord DMs.

I think I'm okay with DA or egospray as the lynches for today.

-Mikoto

Anyway Mikoto pushing me as scum with 0 explanation is at least basically the same as TvA so it's not like I'd townread that head for the push

(D)

Also not to scumread off the "let's be nice" post but if Bitmap does consider me a friend, why is he making 0 attempt to be right on my alignment this game? Mikoto townreads Blake, Blake is certain I'm town, but Mikoto (Bitmap) is okay with me as the lynch because of Farkran's read? I mean it's really jarring that those are like the only three reads from that head.

Particularly when Mikoto's progression on me is from:

In post 425, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:page 7-8 I like Disaster Artists for pushing sorta

So Mikoto goes from having me as town, to emphasizing me as a friend, to saying I'm a top 2 lynch with 0 attempts from his head to sort me? Okay... like it could be town but that's really fucking weird and it's certainly not townie

(E)

I know that "oh but DRK isn't even in the main thread" and it can make sense for one head of a hydra to be dominant, but I mean given that DRK had stopped playing mafia and I basically forcibly dragged her back for this game I don't think it surprised anyone that knew her that she wasn't really going to be very present in thread.

As for Farkran's head, I kinda was not in love with cognitive-load indicative posts like 237; and it coming in response to demanding I expand on a nullread was like... also bad.

Like not everyone's gonna agree with your reads. When someone says "I don't see it" but disagrees with your scumread but that they kinda have the slot as null, demanding they explain their null/town read is like... so pointless as to be scummy.

(F)

In post 1007, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:I could talk about disaster artists though. He's one of the slots that has been shading me since the very early game but has also been dodging questions - doesn't seem to be particularly interested into engaging with me to sort my slot.

Given they'd had me as town for most of the game, this just feels more like scum that has recognized they're not pocketing me than town that is reevaluating to be honest. I know most people don't see their own questions as dumb or pointless, but accusing me of "dodging" questions for not expanding at length on ego being null/town is frankly scummy.

Remember, he thinks that I was dodging a question because I didn't respond to this:

In post 187, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:

In post 183, Disaster Artists wrote:They're in the lower townpool but only have their feet in the water and haven't dived in yet

-JC

Why are they in the lower townpool? Is it a gutread, or did any particular instance of what they have done so far granted them townpoints that i didn't notice?

-Farkran

because "null" does not mean "scum" before page 10.

(G)

In post 1174, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:

In post 574, Flavortown wrote:VOTE: Disaster Artists

In post 1111, Black Hole Defection wrote: VOTE: Disaster Artist

In the meanwhile, there is a good wagon forming on a scumread of mine, so

VOTE: Disaster Artist

-Farkran

Then we have "a good wagon forming"

Okay, why was FLAVORTOWN part of a "good wagon"?

(H)

And why am I now a "scumread"? You have me as town, you reread and because I didn't dignify 187 with an answer I'm now "scum"?

A point repeated here:

In post 1689, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:this is a good time to consolidate the wagon again Disaster Artists. The wagon is good and Despair Artists is likely scum.

So at this point, I have a hard time buying any part of Farkran's push here. This feels more like lowkey pocketing people pushing a mislynch an a very wolfy attempt to control the gamestate.

Remember, that in this game scum needs to play pretty wolfy because there's like 2-3 confirmed town vig power already. Scum cannot win doing nothing this game, which is why it is reasonable for Blake to be concerned with this slot and why Farkran going from "leantown" on my slot to grossly hyperconfident in the wagon on me is quite scummy.

(I)

In post 1692, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:Besides, blake, i have been trying to engage with you AND yang long before now, yet you decide to answer me only to defend DA on a read that, as town, you cannot be sure about? No thanks

This is awful posting

(J)

In post 1955, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:NOT TODAY
Equitable Androids (Gobbledygook and Titus)
Despair Night (JunkoChan and insomnia)
Flavortown (Dr Easy Bake and Flavor Leaf)
Imperium (Nachomamma8 and Tammy)
Feminist Blocc (Datisi and Ausuka)
Smol Might (Eragon and Shadowlesscloud)
Unapologetically Foxy (Pine and xofelf)
Spiffybringer (Spiffeh and Firebringer)

LYNCHABLE TODAY
Egospray (bugspray and GeorgeBailey)
The Searchers (SirCakez and Ircher)
Blake x Yang (Alyssa the Lamb and Taly)
NL (GuyInFreezer and MariaR)
Disaster Artists (John Cena and DeathRowKitty)

This is just a really wolfy readslist. Blake is really clearly town, NL is a likely mislynch, I'm town, and I'm frankly skeptical that Ego/Searchers is 2 scum.

So at this point, while there's still the risk that Farkran is town and just has really bad reads, I have to feel like Farkran is playing to scum wincon.

Additionally the soft-distancing "Not Today" is on a bunch of slots that I think are a mix of obvious town or slots that are much more interesting to think about so this whole list just looks awful to me.

So, I'm faced with two scenarios:
-Farkran is having an awful game, is up my ass as town because I didn't respond to a dumb question 70 pages ago and because insomnia started trolling me and I said I was going to shoot him
OR
-Farkran is a wolf and is just wolfing

(K)

But then I see shit like this:

In post 1979, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:VOTE: Disaster artists

And this is just an awful vote for so many reasons

First of all, it's page 80 so it's clear Fark is not like... paying attention to the actual gamestate or what's going on

Second the only reason they're revoting here is because

In post 1973, The Searchers wrote:Ircher approved this so

VOTE: disaster artists

SC

of this vote.

So while there's a world where yes, Farkran is trying to consolidate for votelogic, uhhh, he does this in the middle of a readslist where I haven't indicated I think he's town. So why the fuck does he as *town* double down on the push now rather than *after* he sees what I have to say about him? This is just... really not townie at all.

(L)

This is also following from this:

In post 1955, Mikoto and Kuroko wrote:DA is still a good lynch but all his reads are pretty much the opposite of mine and i really don't know where they could possibly come from. Consider me still on DA if interest shifts.

Which is just more awful posting. Like, I drop some readslists that are very, very different than his, and he doesn't engage me at all, instead he's like, oh shit time to vote because one of his top 5 scum voted me?

Like the problem is 1955 *would* be townie if Farkran actually reevaluated. Instead he just sets himself up to wagon hop anything that isn't himself.

So yeah, basically either Farkran is playing to scum wincon, or is actually scum as far as I can tell right now. Either way he's a great day 1 lynch.

(M)

Anyway I still need to collect my thoughts on Titus slot, but this got long enough I'm gonna go ahead and post it now and maybe collect my thoughts some more.

-JC

In post 604, Equitable Androids wrote:

In post 603, Cappy wrote:

In post 596, Black Hole Defection wrote:And Hectic, I don't see why you can't elaborate on the egospray progression.

Is this you saying that egospray took a joke wrong and are therefore scummy?

Or that egospray isn't scum with Mario?

~Titus