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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:57 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
she is focussed on a specific event - because its probably the most consequential thing thats happened so far
i dont think thats a bad idea or even scum motivated on her part.
she could just as easily have let you kill mena tonight instead of pumping the brakes.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:58 pm
by LegoLucy
In post 2100, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:she is focussed on a specific event - because its probably the most consequential thing thats happened so far
i dont think thats a bad idea or even scum motivated on her part.
she could just as easily have let you kill mena tonight instead of pumping the brakes.
I'm not saying it's scummy for skitter I'm just saying it's not scummy for Day and I thought calling out my own recency bias would make that clear
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:58 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
well you couldn't really emotionally pocket me in ss3 pre-reveal as you were restricted from bussing
and you couldnt pocket me post reveal either as I was one of the only viable miselims available to you.
so its not quite applicable to this situation.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:59 pm
by Chara
i mean, i'm playing a 5-page game here, so,
"average alignment indication" is... a concept. it implies one should take an ISO as a whole, then look at town indicators vs. scum indicators and then see which outweighs the other?
instead of holistically deciding which evidence to use and which evidence to discard, then continuing to do that until you're only using the correct evidence? if i have conflicting evidence, i try to figure out which evidence is getting thrown out because i've misinterpreted it. a "correct" read would be all of the evidence pointing the same way.
and do you mean Day has considered the entire game and come to the correct read, and it's obvious to you that that's what happened, so you don't find the defending behavior scummy?
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 7:59 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
oh I dont think day is scummy - the defense is too weak and ineffective for that.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:00 pm
by LegoLucy
Pandora was playing with the package my new skirt came in and got tape stuck on her widdle paw
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:01 pm
by Chara
In post 2100, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:she is focussed on a specific event - because its probably the most consequential thing thats happened so far
i dont think thats a bad idea or even scum motivated on her part.
she could just as easily have let you kill mena tonight instead of pumping the brakes.
you've said this much more concisely than i managed to. i know it's not the same thing but the whole "some events are more important than others" thing was supposed to be the point of the crap i just spewed.
and i agree, i think the strangeness of your play there that skitter picked up on makes sense, as is focusing on an event you find more important/salient.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:02 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
ok thats definitely ate to use your cats >.>
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:03 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
pandora is adoooorbs <3
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:03 pm
by Alisae
pandora sucks i hate her
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:04 pm
by Chara
my question was actually to Lucy, i just took a while asking it.
the defense being ineffective is part of why i didn't like it, actually. it just felt like scum knowing Lucy's town and so easily finding the town thought process, then communicating that to defuse the miscommunication to look reasonable/town.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:04 pm
by Chara
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:06 pm
by Chara
In post 2101, LegoLucy wrote:I'm not saying it's scummy for skitter I'm just saying it's not scummy for Day and I thought calling out my own recency bias would make that clear
so what is scummy for skitter?
you said you felt like repeating yourself, and if that was sarcasm it's your fault for delivering it too well.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:07 pm
by LegoLucy
In post 2103, Chara wrote:i mean, i'm playing a 5-page game here, so,
"average alignment indication" is... a concept. it implies one should take an ISO as a whole, then look at town indicators vs. scum indicators and then see which outweighs the other?
instead of holistically deciding which evidence to use and which evidence to discard, then continuing to do that until you're only using the correct evidence? if i have conflicting evidence, i try to figure out which evidence is getting thrown out because i've misinterpreted it. a "correct" read would be all of the evidence pointing the same way.
and do you mean Day has considered the entire game and come to the correct read, and it's obvious to you that that's what happened, so you don't find the defending behavior scummy?
The former is how I approach the game. Have you ever heard the philosophy "defenses are scummy?" You should give some weight to refutations, but more often than not someone was onto something and saying it in the wrong way which made it refutable, you added some Mandela effect to a gut-read that's better than rand. The latter approach sounds an awful lot like how you could lose to a player like RadiantCowbells over and over again, biasing in favor of players who are good at characterizing their own behavior. You don't get better at characterizing your own behavior when you roll town.
Since I approach the game that way I project it onto others. Day's play becomes hard to characterize and hard to characterize in a way that's scummy if we project a large amount of recency bias onto them here, but from my perspective Occam's razor just suggests he lost an argument about whether to put a pound of flour for me or put a pound of flour against me and but there's still ten pounds of flour in the windmill.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:07 pm
by Day
You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:08 pm
by LegoLucy
I no longer as fervently feel skitter is scum but I don't know whether it's argument from repetition at this point.
Will rehash some of my pings about her in a couple minutes.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:10 pm
by LegoLucy
In post 2113, LegoLucy wrote: In post 2103, Chara wrote:i mean, i'm playing a 5-page game here, so,
"average alignment indication" is... a concept. it implies one should take an ISO as a whole, then look at town indicators vs. scum indicators and then see which outweighs the other?
instead of holistically deciding which evidence to use and which evidence to discard, then continuing to do that until you're only using the correct evidence? if i have conflicting evidence, i try to figure out which evidence is getting thrown out because i've misinterpreted it. a "correct" read would be all of the evidence pointing the same way.
and do you mean Day has considered the entire game and come to the correct read, and it's obvious to you that that's what happened, so you don't find the defending behavior scummy?
The former is how I approach the game. Have you ever heard the philosophy "defenses are scummy?" You should give some weight to refutations, but more often than not someone was onto something and saying it in the wrong way which made it refutable,
or in other cases
you added some Mandela effect
to add bad logical dressings
to a gut-read that's better than rand. The latter approach sounds an awful lot like how you could lose to a player like RadiantCowbells over and over again, biasing in favor of players who are good at characterizing their own behavior. You don't get better at characterizing your own behavior when you roll town.
Since I approach the game that way I project it onto others. Day's play becomes hard to characterize and hard to characterize in a way that's scummy if we project a large amount of recency bias onto them here, but from my perspective Occam's razor just suggests he lost an argument about whether to put a pound of flour for me or put a pound of flour against me and but there's still ten pounds of flour in the windmill.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:10 pm
by Chara
you don't have to force it if you actually don't want to, i should sleep anyway.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:13 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 2114, Day wrote:You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.
i think you want her to be town more than you think she is town.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:13 pm
by Alisae
pandora is actually pretty poggers tbh tho i heard yoshi is better not sure tho
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:14 pm
by Day
In post 2118, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: In post 2114, Day wrote:You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.
i think you want her to be town more than you think she is town.
Very possibly.
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:15 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i want her to be town too
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:16 pm
by Chara
In post 2114, Day wrote:You're right, Chara. I find Lucy town for her play for the rest of the game so was trying to find the town thought process behind that potentially scummy instance from her.
i guess this game deserves some effort. i'm as of yet unconvinced that you could be
this
convinced Lucy is town from the rest of the game, but i'm also not sure at you two would be scum together.
pedit: hmmmmmmmm
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:16 pm
by Chara
it doesn't matter what you want! mafia is about mercilessly voting your mafia e-girlfriend!!! just kill her!! dead!!! that's love!!!!
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 8:19 pm
by Chara
what i mean is. like, of course i love Ydrasse. but, if she keeps popping in with music and no content, my townread is going to wane just as it did before, even if i don't want it to be like that and even if i want her to be town, and you just need to accept that sometimes, just like she'll accept you for who you are no matter what the hammer of justice forces you to do.