He can't survive until endgame regardless so if I were in their shoes I think I'd kill elsewhere. Now I will ponder whether his being a role cop changes things.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:58 pm
by WhemeStar
TWO THOUSAND 0 0 0 PARTY OVER OOPS WERE OUT OF TIME
GKNNA PARTY LIKE ITS 1999
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 12:59 pm
by Ythan
Like don't we want to eliminate him because of his role.
In post 2094, morph the cat wrote:And Mastina too, actually, given she's been a relative non-factor this game comparatively?
Kakegurui is just a super big thread presence, and i diiid feel kinda looked down on in the interaction we had regarding my wheme theory
mastina i just think is super cool so im naturally just a bit scared. nothing in game warranted that
BTW i am completely available to promptly respond from now on !!
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:01 pm
by morph the cat
Okay, so moving on, and unwnd sort of already brought it up, but you seem to be townreading Vecna quite heavily. What posts gave you that favorable impresion, and if you could unpack and explain WHY they did that for you?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:01 pm
by morph the cat
@Mastina and @Vecna
I have other research projects going right now, so I'm just going to ask you directly: Have you played together since the Maplewood game, and if so, how much?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:04 pm
by morph the cat
In post 2104, morph the cat wrote:Okay, so moving on, and unwnd sort of already brought it up, but you seem to be townreading Vecna quite heavily. What posts gave you that favorable impresion, and if you could unpack and explain WHY they did that for you?
An updated reads list from you is also a valid starting point if you'd rather approach it from overall reads into specific ones instead of specific into overall.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:05 pm
by mastina
In post 1926, Lukewarm wrote:I was unaware that Dann comes with this level of notoriety.
Dude's a former paragon nominee. I don't think he actually won, but you don't get nominations for Paragon of Mafia Hunters unless you're genuinely that competent at the game.
I realize that was years ago, and I've not seen Dannflor since and if he's been less active a player, his skills could have atrophied, especially in a multiball game (heck, it's been so long since I've played a multiball game that I've forgotten how to do the best scumhunting in a multiball game), but I would still expect even a rusty player in an antiquated game mode (antiquated due to nobody running multiball games outside of X-Idea-esque role madness ones) to have the competency necessary to become a threat to at least one scumteam, if not both.
Yes, the scum could hope the other scumteam kills him and thus end up not killing him; depending on who the scum are, it's possible the scum may deliberately leave him alive not wanting to risk a crosskill; scum could worry that in spite of the suspicion on him that their kill could fail or be spotted on him; scum could opt to leave him alive for the wifom and hope the town does their job for them; there's reasons that Dannflor would not be killed by either scumteam.
But given his competency as a player, I'm inclined to at least wait a few phases and reassess later, circa D4. Look at his content by then, see if there is a faction he can't belong to, see if there's a faction he's more likely to belong to, see if he's town, etc., based on the gathered evidence we have available. Specifically because I trust in his competence to force the scum's hands before then.
In post 2104, morph the cat wrote:Okay, so moving on, and unwnd sort of already brought it up, but you seem to be townreading Vecna quite heavily. What posts gave you that favorable impresion, and if you could unpack and explain WHY they did that for you?
An updated reads list from you is also a valid starting point if you'd rather approach it from overall reads into specific ones instead of specific into overall.
Spoiler:
In post 2005, ManateeDude wrote:[Vecna, Dann]
[Anya, unwnd, Taco, morph, Kazyan]
[Celestial, petapan, Addicts]
[everyone else (null)]
[Echolocation]
[Whemestar]
I think my issue when playing mafia is i really easily develop townreads on people but noting things i scumread is a lot harder :/
Reeeeeeegardless, my read on wheme remains rather firm in that i believe he is mafia for reasons i've previously stated, looking through his ISO theres actually a lot of fluff that has clogged up the thread. dont like the slot or many of his takes.
Celestial slot has been pretty solid so far, i find myself agreeing with a lot of their takes, though theres been a few i've similary strongly disagreed with. overall, i think their thread presence has been pretty positive. they probably should be higher but i'd need to revisit their iso
Echo probably goes lower actually yea theyre going below nullscum. SO MUCH fluff in thread like i can recall at least two instances where they've popped into thread to say nothing meaningful and then promptly exit. probably missing some meaningful content from them but nothing sticks in my head
cant quite remember the reasoning for my petapan read so it was probably just gut
i still think a majority of addicts posts have been pro-town and pro-discussion but im a little skeptical at their willingness to give up the read they held SO strongly on dann to listen to what morph had to say on the matter. still town in my books.
Anya is a pretty cool player, i think my read is more based around my comfort surrouding her, but i really like how laid-back and willing to engage she is.
unwnd ummmmmmmm i dont remember why theyre town in my books remind me to come back to this one
Taco's frustration at that one dannflor post read forever ago read as really towny to me... based on that they should probably be lower so remind me to revisit that one
morph i missed in the original but i've generally held confidence in their posting and style to hold a townread.
im still of the mindset dann was tmi'ed by wheme and im ready to believe theyre town for quite a while
Kazyan's reaction to the votes on him (also forever ago) i think absolutely comes from town worried theyll be targetted over someone they believe is obvscum. i'll probably move this one down cos i havent really paid attention to any other content they've posted but i'd be hard pressed to read that interaction as anything but town.
Vecna i cannot for the life of me remember why i put so high but im gonna keep him here. just reread his iso and theres a lot of engagement and i like their willingness to have opposite opinions to widely townread players and i generally cannot understand why they've ended up so low on a lot of peoples reads
@morph
to elaborate on vecna, i really like that hes not afraid to comment on small things and give out opinions where as a wolf one could avoid engaging in fear of getting in shit
Ehh I can see it, I do overall lean more scum there than not, but I'd prefer we eliminate elsewhere for the same reason I'm not pressing Dannflor.
Btw for the record: Vecna, Lukewarm, and WhemeStar are all townreads for me right now;
Ythan and Vaxkiller are off the table for me today because I lean more towards not-scum on them overall;
This is just through page 79 though so still reading more.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:14 pm
by morph the cat
Okay, I'll stop you there, manatee lass. Thanks.
Here's my issue. And I just did this for another person in another game, so I'll be kind about it.
You just faction and partner-slipped.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:15 pm
by morph the cat
I'll give uh, twenty morph points to the first third party to this convo to spell it out, otherwise i'll do so after i finish watering the garden.
Here's my issue. And I just did this for another person in another game, so I'll be kind about it.
You just faction and partner-slipped.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:16 pm
by unwnd
In post 2112, morph the cat wrote:I'll give uh, twenty morph points to the first third party to this convo to spell it out, otherwise i'll do so after i finish watering the garden.
I see it but I'm deeply conceited.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:17 pm
by ManateeDude
In post 2112, morph the cat wrote:I'll give uh, twenty morph points to the first third party to this convo to spell it out, otherwise i'll do so after i finish watering the garden.
well water faster cos im extremely curious as to what this supposed slip is
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 pm
by morph the cat
In post 2108, unwnd wrote:I feel like I just entered into Warehouse 13, Morph
Day 1 or?
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 pm
by unwnd
Yeah Day 1
That implies some other reads too
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i know the answer to this but I want other people to earn points
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:22 pm
by morph the cat
I'm sorry but I live on a corner lot and I have a lot of flowers so it's going to be a few minutes.
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:25 pm
by morph the cat
Well I say flowers but in reality it's only about a third of flowers The other two thirds are fruit trees and vegetable and berry plants.
