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[koopashell]

Yeah this sounds caught as fuck.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This is why Flavor refuses to post any quote from Roden that he finds wolfy. Because he can't find a wolfy post from Roden, only vague misrepresentations.

[Flavor Leaf]

ignorant af koopa.

[ItalianoVD]

Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.

Go read 224 and tell me what it says?

[koopashell]

@koopa you didn't explain why about that post.

dunno it just radiates pure energy of someone who is trying to genuinely apologize for a mistake and doesn't feel performative.

[koopashell]

Roden and Italian are the two that I've sniffed some scum energy on thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.

Man, this human's obsessed with me.

@Roden - wasn't that serious

So much FL talk when I was away, that's what I like to see. Even when I'm not here, the spotlight loves me

Nah you don't get to backpedal after you made several solves that make me a PoE choice without explaining anything.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

This is probably coming from town who hasn't learned how to look past getting POE scum read as a personal thing.

@Koopa - I don't think I'm correct with all those reads I've had, I'm even starting to flip flop on Roden a bit more. Mainly because I want to see NK15 push harder if he's scum, but I don't think I'm wrong on all of them either.

it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.

Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.

I get my reads through direct interaction.

Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.

Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.

Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.

This is an interesting set of posts I've found about Roden throughout the game.

Notably I find that things don't line up here: FL switched up the reasoning for why he FOS'd Roden.

Vibes -> Gamestate

The former implies specific posts, the latter implies PoE.

Requoting this botched progression for everyone to see.
Flavor's reaction here is to ad hom me, as he is caught red handed with a slip.

[koopashell]

Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.

Go read 224 and tell me what it says?

It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.

[koopashell]

Italiano, what do you think of the progression slip I caught?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't see the supposed slip.

[koopashell]

I don't see the supposed slip.

Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.


And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.

What aren't you understanding?

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't see the supposed slip.

Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.


And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.

What aren't you understanding?

Re-read it and still don't see a slip. Are you assuming that 400 posts later the read will be the same and because it's not it's a slip?

[koopashell]

And also the "I think you're town THEREFORE U WOLF!"
is such bullshit.

The point is - FL has not actually parsed Roden's posts and has not had a genuine read there. They know Roden is town, and are just trying to fabricate reasons.

[koopashell]

I don't see the supposed slip.

Look at the reasoning FL gives for the read in the first quote -> then look at the last quote.


And look at how FL has treated Roden this game wrt how they have not substantiated their Roden read with anything but vague statements about his play. Couldn't even provide a single quote.

What aren't you understanding?

Re-read it and still don't see a slip. Are you assuming that 400 posts later the read will be the same and because it's not it's a slip?

No? The point is that FL lied about the initial reasoning behind the read. Can you actually READ what he said? He said at the start, when he was first starting to push Roden, that he felt they were wolfy vibes/aura. This implies that they read posts that indicated this. Later on -> when he flips back to his Roden wolfread, he says "Yeah it was just gamestate"
Do you see it now?

[koopashell]

Townies don't forget why they townread/scumread someone like that.

[koopashell]

This is why Flavor Leaf cannot quote specific posts from Roden - because he has made this push too lazily and cannot substantiate it.

Please tell me you see what my point is now.

[koopashell]

Roden

and Italian are the two that

I've sniffed some scum energy on

thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.

it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.

Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.

I get my reads through direct interaction.

Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.

Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.

Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.

these 2 posts

[koopashell]

And FL cannot backtrack the first one - because the latter part of the sentence references more detail about Italiano that implies that the energy was from specific posts.

[ItalianoVD]

Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.

Go read 224 and tell me what it says?

It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.

Now go read 368. Now I want you to tell me what Kitty is talking about and who he is talking to.

[koopashell]

Kitty is genuinely parsing the game. The final quote - shows that Kitty is questioning Italiano for something they said before that they believe is contradictory to what they are saying in the moment.

Go read 224 and tell me what it says?

It says I thought you were a wolf trying to distance? tf are you trying to say.

Now go read 368. Now I want you to tell me what Kitty is talking about and who he is talking to.

Ah good point lmao.

Regardless - go read the post right before yours. We have a caught wolf.

[ItalianoVD]

Italiano, what do you think of the progression slip I caught?

So are you saying that Leaf fake progresses from scumreading Roden to townreading Roden to scumreading him again?

[koopashell]

Italiano, what do you think of the progression slip I caught?

So are you saying that Leaf fake progresses from scumreading Roden to townreading Roden to scumreading him again?

No. The point is that FL did not have a real reason to FOS Roden but is trying to say they did - and blundered by offering different reasoning 2 separate times.

That is the point.

Also if you look in Flavor's ISO and Ctrl-F Roden, he does not ever quote a single Roden post except for the occasional reply. Never uses a single thing Roden has said directly to case them.

My point is -> Flavor is a wolf trying to miseliminate Roden here and I caught a major discrepancy in their reasoning.

[Roden]

Roden, I just don't care.

Every single time you come up and discredit is after I had gone and spent hours going back and forth with others.

I'm just so over it, and not even pushing you at this point anymore.

I'm like only half reading your posts because my mental capacity for doing another 1v1 is not there. im not in go back and find things mode.

This is a very convenient mind set to have when asked to follow through with the basics of a scum case.

I didn't ask you to 1v1 a bunch of other players. If you're exhausted then stop spreading yourself thin and acting like you're confident certain players will flip red.

i don't mind 1v1'ing players. just do it on my own time.

And I feel like I've repeated my self so many times at this point.

Fucking surface level town you are if you're town. holy shit.

HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS IS FUCKING DAY 1 AND HAVE FUCKING CONFIDENCE WITH ANY FUCKING PLAYER

FUCKING DAY 1

I have actively fucking stated im likely to be wrong with certain solves.

Actively stated i think there is scum in my town reads.

Ignorant af or purposeful getting me riled up scum.

No inbetween.

Why are you so mad? You've consistently said all game that you scum read me and that you're most confident about my slot flipping red over anyone else in the game. Even today, you've been saying this.

Like...you started this game saying that you're intentionally going to troll people to upset them and that you won't answer any questions you don't feel like answering. I don't know how you can possibly try to turn this around on me after saying shit like that.

[koopashell]

He won't reply because he is busy thinking of how to respond to being caught the way he was.

It seems willagers are already on the case though being doubtful of an obvious slip.

[ItalianoVD]

Koopa, what is the gamestate?

[Roden]

Roden

and Italian are the two that

I've sniffed some scum energy on

thus far. Too early to tell if that's accurate or not, because at least with Italian I've seen a few townie energy auras coming off of em.

it was more i felt it at the time, then stopped feeling it. the more you talk, the more i actually start to scum read Roden again, though.

Mainly because the more you talk the more I'm getting a feeling you might be town who's just looking at the game in black and white.

I get my reads through direct interaction.

Otherwise it's mainly gamestate reads from the perspective I have at the time I give the read.

Roden was all gamestate reads at the time since I hadn't interacted with them.

Scum manipulate gamestate, so by looking at my past gamestate reads in the future, I can look to see where scum were manipulating things as the days go on.

these 2 posts

Tbh I hadn't caught this. I remembered I was part of the early PoE but thought that was just related to the scum bubble read. But side by side like this, the difference in what kind of reads they were is more obvious.

I think it's more of a glaring inconsistency than a straight up slip though. Regardless, this feels important.

UNVOTE: for now.

[Malakittens]

Please don't react like a toddler being asked to eat their vegetables.

Veggies are ducking disgusting

ESP cabbage

YUCKKK